I can come up with quite a few careers for this person to name a few

Travel writer or critic of Cruises, ships, sailing, traveling in out of the way places.
Short films,
Photographer
Science Fiction Writer
Astrologer, Researcher

Not too fond of women, or a lot of arguments with them, very cool towards them, harsh, biting and nit-picking (critical), also with friends and family.

Very sensitive, artsy type, tempermental, very argumentative or hot tempered, analytical.

Presents themselves as larger than life. self-confident, and wholly believes in himself.

His Career does not seem to jive with how he presents himself.

So on the wild side, this could be a porno film maker or transvestite. Or someone who likes to impersonate women?


Very curious, So what are we missing?

I forgot to add all the obvious, 12 house designations, being a priest, prison guard in a female prison, or administrative position in that prison, a director of films, orchestrating from the background, Hospital Administrator, or Surgeon.

An additional thought which ties in with the Mars in the first and all the 12th house emphasis would be a soldier who was killed in action, POW or MIA. Alternatively someone involved in 'covert operations'.

However, we haven't even been told if this person is alive or dead!

RC: We do get 'Mystery charts' like this on the traditional part of the forum quite often put up by Tom. However, he usually throws people a few bones to point them in the right direction. If we all way out it would be good to know.

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Hi all and thanks for your inputs on this.

I went through each response and picked out the pieces which fit somewhat at some point in his life.

To answer MarkC's question, he is alive!

And for a hint, think more of the traditional meaning of what the 12th house signifies and why would an ordinary person (he's not famous or infamous) have so many planets in their 12th? Also, look at the planets that are in the 12th and how would they help or hurt and also, what houses in the chart do they rule?

Some of the answers here dealt with other houses and aspects of his life and where they fit, I included them. I'll leave it open a while longer to see if it comes together better now.

Ellie Fant wrote:Something is off about Jupiter. It rules the intercept in the 4th and the 7th and 8th cusps and opposes the 7th so I would say this person has difficulty in all their relationships and brings crisis into their own lives.
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The Asc. is weakened by it ruler being in the 12th. I think this is significant. I don't know this person at all but having such a 12th house with personal planets occupying makes me wonder whether anyone would ever really know them very well.
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MarkC wrote: A peregrine Mars in the 1st forms a separating dexter sextile to a debilitated Saturn in the 11th house. In signs of long ascension it may operate more like a square. Plus Sun/Pluto conjunction power could imply power misuse or abuse issues?

MorningSun wrote:I can come up with quite a few careers for this person to name a few ...
, traveling in out of the way places.
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Not too fond of women, or a lot of arguments with them, very cool towards them, harsh, biting and nit-picking (critical), also with friends and family.
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analytical.
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self-confident, and wholly believes in himself.

MorningSun wrote:I forgot to add all the obvious, 12 house designations, prison guard , or administrative position in that prison, .

MarkC wrote:An additional thought which ties in with the Mars in the first and all the 12th house emphasis would be a soldier who was killed in action, POW or MIA. Alternatively someone involved in 'covert operations'.

However, we haven't even been told if this person is alive or dead!

If he isn't famous or infamous, RC, then how are we supposed to know who he is?

GH

RC,

Okay, I think I have it! Here goes!

Okay, with Sag intercepted in the 4th, Mars being Lord of the 4th and angular, his father was a military man, probably in Europe in World War II. So part of his childhood possibly was moving around to different countries, due to his father?s position in the Military.

Mars rules the 4th and 9th houses, so travel to foreign countries is prominent in his chart, as well as at some time in his life living abroad in another country or countries.

Being that Mars is in Virgo and rules the 9th house, his position would be more as an analyst for the Government (all those planets in Leo, and Mars angular (prominent) ruling the 9th house of governments, in addition to Jupiter
so prominent, diurnal in Sect and angular, ruling the 7th & 8th house, in the sign of Pisces, showing compassion for other people and their property, wanting to be the protector of both, he could work for the Government, either in a Military capacity or for the Government providing military strategy or private security or an intelligence officer in the Military. It would be an analyst or gathering and organizing information in a covert way on other countries. I think that?s it!!

His career is unusual and probably also is the cause of his travels in far away places.

So here goes!! Just an after thought, Also due to his temperament and disposition towards women, he most likely spent some time in jail due to a woman.

Gunhilde wrote:If he isn't famous or infamous, RC, then how are we supposed to know who he is?

GH

Hi Gunhilde:
The question was whether you could look at this individual's chart and tell what his chart indicated.

MorningStar,

His father was exempted from military service due to diabetes.

RC

Alright, I'm about ready to give up!! Okay, so 12th house is the house of the self's own undoing and self-sacrifice, all things hidden and secret.

All the personal planets are there. To an extent, his personal life is kept hidden, so to speak. Not entirely, most planets are above the horizon, so he is "in" the world and "out" there.

Now until Pres. Bush became President, I believe most astrologers thought a 12th house Sun was doomed. NOT SO, says Bush's chart!

Although he does have quite a lot of actions in the background and in secret. Which I am assuming also of our mystery person! A lot goes on behind the scenes, mostly his personal life.

He is self directed as far as running his own life, and confident of his abilities and more so with the Pluto/Sun conjunction, of power issues, and thinking he IS the authority so hence the power struggles.


So I GIVE UP!! There are so many possibilities as their are people!

Can't wait to see how this ends though! Good One RC!

Alright, I'm about ready to give up!! Okay, so 12th house is the house of the self's own undoing and self-sacrifice, all things hidden and secret.

All the personal planets are there. To an extent, his personal life is kept hidden, so to speak. Not entirely, most planets are above the horizon, so he is "in" the world and "out" there.

Now until Pres. Bush became President, I believe most astrologers thought a 12th house Sun was doomed. NOT SO, says Bush's chart!

Although he does have quite a lot of actions in the background and in secret. Which I am assuming also of our mystery person! A lot goes on behind the scenes, mostly his personal life.

He is self directed as far as running his own life, and confident of his abilities and more so with the Pluto/Sun conjunction, of power issues, and thinking he IS the authority so hence the power struggles.


So I GIVE UP!! There are so many possibilities as their are people!

Can't wait to see how this ends though! Good One RC!

Hi all:

Okay, I'll try a couple more hints and then post the answer tomorrow if you all want.

Hints:

Examination of a couple of fixed stars which stand out in this chart for his birth time help define his future.

Also, the most important planets here to analyze would be Jupiter and Mars.


RC

Ok lets summarise the 'hints' from RC so far:

And for a hint, think more of the traditional meaning of what the 12th house signifies and why would an ordinary person (he's not famous or infamous) have so many planets in their 12th? Also, look at the planets that are in the 12th and how would they help or hurt and also, what houses in the chart do they rule?

Examination of a couple of fixed stars which stand out in this chart for his birth time help define his future. Also, the most important planets here to analyze would be Jupiter and Mars.

Ok lets look at a totally 'traditional' view of the 12tth house as RC suggests:

''It hath signification of private enemies, of witches, great cattle - as horses, oxen, elephants, &c.; sorrow, tribulation, imprisonments, all manner of affliction, self-undoing, &c., and of such men as maliciously undermine their neighbours, or inform secretly against them.
It hath cosignificators Pisces and Venus; Saturn doth much joy in that house, for naturally Saturn is author of mischief; and it ruleth in man's body the feet. In colour it presents the green. It's a cadent house, feminine, and vulgarly sometimes called cataphora, as all cadent houses may be.'' ( Christian Astrology, William Lilly p56)

We probably differ here as you use modern rulerships and do not use exaltation and triplicity rulers I imagine. However, sticking with domicile rulers: Mercury rules 1st and 2nd , Venus rules 10th and 3rd, Sun rules 12th house.

In terms of fixed star connections the most obvious are Regulus on Jupiter/MC and the Moon on the malefic star Algorab in the constellation of Corvus the Crow.

Regulus on Jupiter: Fame, high preferment, especially of a military nature, success in the Church.

Regulus on Ascendant: Great honor and wealth, but violence and trouble, sickness, fevers, acute disease, benefits seldom last, favour of the great, victory over enemies and scandal. The 145th Consideration of Guido Bonnati is as follows: -" That thou see in Diurnal Nativities whether Regulus be in the Ascendant, that is to say, in the Oriental Line or above it one degree or below it three degrees; or whether it be in the tenth in like degrees, without the Conjunction or Aspect of any of the Fortunes, for this alone signifies that the Native shall be a person of great note and power, too much exalted, and attain to high preferment and honors, although descended from the meanest parents. And, if any of the Fortunes behold that place also, his glory shall be the more increased;

Algorab: According to Ptolemy, Algorab is of the nature of Mars and Saturn and gives destructiveness, malevolence, fiendishness, repulsiveness and lying, and is connected with scavenging. (Vivian Robson).

A Mars-Saturn star that can show up the more troublesome side of Libra, a variation on the truth when an excuse looks to be safer. (The Living Stars , Dr. Eric Morse).

Delays and restraint are indicated to come about by fiascoes, losses, wrong handling of matters and enmity in general. Accidents or injuries, difficult to avoid. (Fixed Stars and Their Interpretation , Elsbeth Ebertin, 1923)

Accidents and injuries seem a theme here. Saturn is ruling the 6th house and in a weakened state by sign yet in a good house and Jupiter is forming a dexter sextile to it. Probably someone who has made the best of injury or illness? Maybe going back to the Mars connection a veteran of Vietnam? (Mars rules the 9th house) Mars -square Uranus -sudden acccidents/injuries abroad?

One last slightly way out thought is someone in the sex industry. Why? Well Venus is the MC ruler in the 12th. The 5th house ruler Saturn is debilitated which emphasises some unconventional expression of sexuaity that may be of profit all the same ( in the lucky 11th house + Jupiter aspect). The Mars-Saturn aspect plus the Pluto/Sun conjunction all have issues around control and power. Although there is an overtone of aggression. Jupiter the traditional indicator of wealth is in detriment and mercury second house ruler in the 12th. This indicates income from hidden and unconventional means. I suspect this is not the kind of thing you would post on the Net so perhaps I am getting rather carried away.....

These are the more colourful interpretations. A Prison guard in a Womens Prison would be somewhat predictable but more safe I guess.

I better stop now. The permutations are endless.

Now put us out of our misery RC and prove how totally wrong we all are!

MarkC

It's interesting we both came up with many of the same interpretations! I also think there is some sort of income derived from sexual themes as I mentioned porno film director.

In addition I also considered some sort of handicap, however did not mention it, but I see you did. Also the military theme was a real possibility, as well as some sort of confinement, severe restriction in the life.

Can't wait to see how this shakes out and for the big reveal! Great job on the fixed star interpretation!