37 by Mark Hi RC, I am using a direction of the ASC by solar arc. Sorry, I didn't see your question if you asked that before. Thanks. Yes I did raise it at the beginning of thread but I can hardly blame you for missing it. I confess there was a bit more info in your posts than I've had the time to read.. Again I appreciate that. You might want to check my last post though. You may or not be aware that there are two distinctly different ways of projecting a stars position on to the zodiac. For example is Regulus at 26 or 29 degrees Leo? Is Scheat at 28 ( Ptolemy) or 29 Pisces? (Durer) and I am mainly interested in hearing about others' experiences with Scheat. Fair enough. I am clearly not on board for the reasons I have given. I will leave you and the other convinced Scheat-phobiacs to it from here on unless responding to a particular post addressed to me. Quote Thu Sep 18, 2008 6:31 pm
38 by RC MarkC wrote: I will leave you and the other convinced Scheat-phobiacs to it from here on unless responding to a particular post addressed to me. Scheat-phobiacs Is that what I am now? RC Quote Thu Sep 18, 2008 6:38 pm
39 by Mark I am only digging a deeper hole for myself if I seek to elaborate any further. Ok, shall we compromise on 'Scheat-survivors'? Mark Quote Thu Sep 18, 2008 6:42 pm
40 by RC MarkC wrote:I am only digging a deeper hole for myself if I seek to elaborate any further. Ok, shall we compromise on 'Scheat-survivors'? Mark LOL!! Now, that's a good one! Okay, count me as a Scheat-survivor! RC Quote Thu Sep 18, 2008 6:55 pm
41 by Gunhilde I have trouble even pronouncing its name. It's supposed to be 'skat', I believe (?), but my inclination is to pronounce it 'shee-yat', which is what cowboys say when they step in a pile of manure. I'll go see if I can figure out my directed ascendant from a few years back. That was a black, black time for me, and RC: you mentioned suicidal thoughts in your friend. For me at this particular time, they were daily. Sometimes hourly. Then again, I was also experiencing a transiting Pluto/natal Venus/Sun conjunction (never again! Yay!), so that might be it as well... Off to look. Edit: Okay, five years ago my progressed ascendant was 22 Pisces, and I had Mars at 27 Pisces 24. I don't have any idea what a directed chart is, but I do find it interesting that, with Mars so near Scheat I experienced both daily suicidal thoughts and extremely violent rages...I was treated for depression, but I think they missed out on half the diagnosis. Even more peculiar is that in 2006 the Scheat/Mars conjunction was exact, but by this time I was in counselling. The funny thing is, I look back on that time period like it was a strange dream belonging to some other person. I don't have *any* of those feelings any more; not the depression, not the suicidal thoughts, not the rages. Odd. (Sorry, MarkC for any and all inaccuracies resulting from my ignorance of longitude/latitude) GH Quote Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:07 pm
42 by kerenhappuch Thanks MarkC for your posts. So it was Antares - I was sure it was. It is useful to have that list of the brightest stars closest to the ecliptic - I will attempt to use Solar Fire to find out when the Moon or a planet is close to one of those stars and to make it my mission to go outside and actually see it happening! You also make an interesting point on "sneaking into" a planetarium. I have wanted to do that before but never had a chance. I will make one now though Back to Scheat: I will have a look through my progressions and Solar Arc directions and see if I can find a pattern where planets have passed over Scheat (28-29 degrees Pisces). It may be that the brunt of it has yet to come; Jupiter will pass over there in around two year's time by solar arc, and my Ascendant, which seems to be a point of contention, not for 24 years!! I will keep you posted Keren Quote Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:51 pm
43 by Mark Now I have got my 'watch the skies' message out of my system I will share this article by Deb Houlding which discusses the Scheat menace in the poet Shelley's chart. http://www.skyscript.co.uk/shelley.html Its quite unusual in discussing aspects to fixed stars based on zodiacal projection. I think Robson really only discussed the conjunction and opposition. GH-Those positions dont sound that close to Scheat even if you are working with the zodiacal projection method. The 'orb' for this technique would usually be no more than a degree at the most for a second magnitude star like Scheat. Quote Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:31 pm
44 by elleiif3 Mark wrote:This can lead to weird results. For example, if you project the stars Spica and Arcturus they appear to be close to each on the zodiac at 24 Libra. In reality, though nothing could be further from the truth! While Spica is smack bang on the ecliptic Arcturus has a celestial latitude of 30+ putting it way outside the ecliptic. In the real sky, they are nowhere near each other. Zodical projection can actually produce quite silly results with stars well outside the ecliptic. For example, say your ascendant is at 7 Taurus. If you check a simple list of stars the fixed star Schedir, in the constellation of Cassiopeia appears to be linked to that degree. However, this star is way outside the ecliptic at +46 degrees. Moreover, its declination of +56 means its going to be circumpolar for most of us in the northern hemisphere. In other words, the star stays overhead and never rises and sets. So how can it be on the ascendant? The same situation could occur on earth with the star Scheat when 29 Pisces rises. Thus if you are an astrologer in say Mexico City, Miami, or Honolulu the star Scheat is always going to appear overhead (circumpolar) to you. Placing the star on the ascendant in such charts is therefore based on a misunderstanding of astronomical reality. Hi Mark, While the first quoted paragraph is true the other 2 are erroneous. While Shedir may be circumpolar for New York it is NOT for central Florida. I only tested for Jan of 2019 but if it goes down at all, any time of year, my understanding is it is not then considered circumpolar. As for Scheat it is not circumpolar for any of the locations listed. I used Stellarium (http://stellarium.org/) to "look" at the sky and test this. You can use the location feature to change locations quickly and use the fast forward and reverse (push several times) for scanning quickly. I am trying to get a grip on this circumpolar equation and it looks as though you may have forgotten to subtract from 90 degrees. Quote Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:59 pm