Greetings, I'm new here and I'm rather surprised that no mention has been made of the controversial book by Dave Mastry "A Template For The Time. The Astrological Birth Chart Of Jesus".
I know the Author personally and I know him to be limited in his understanding of many areas of Astrology but he does seem to posess a certain expertise in Sabian Symbol analogy and Rudhyarian technique.
The book makes sense and has many valid arguments. His approach to utilizing Sabian Symbols for Arabic Parts seems new as I have not seen this technique before. His approach makes sense.
He has also done some radio in the USA and has done an internet radio program that is archived and can still be heard.
The book also proposes some theories on the 'Star of Bethlehem' that is quite interesting.
I have made numerous analogies with his technique to my own chart and those of cliens of mine and with wonderful resuts that has convinced me and my clients and friends that He has made some very valid observations, whether or not He has actually discovered the true birth chart of Jesus.
Has anyone of you read his book and or utilized the method he proposes?
I don't know of anyone else that is utilizing this method and the author has told me as far as he knows he is the only one utilizing Sabian Symbol analysis in defining Arabic Parts.

I am not familiar with that book but the best one that I have read on the subject is http://www.amazon.co.uk/Star-Magi-Myste ... 751&sr=1-1

Matt

Here's the link to the internet radio broadcast I mention in the above post, for anyone who might be interested. [please note; the title "Astrology expert' is the opinion of the host of this program and rather a source of embarassment to Dave]

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/WOW-Radio/ ... esus-Found

Hi Skippy

From the number of times that you have referred to the views of Dave Mastry in your posts, you seem quite eager to promote his opinions. We have a relaxed approach to links on this forum, because we all like to receive worthwhile recommendations, but one of the most valuable features of this forum is that it is full of independent opinion, based on the experience of working and student astrologers. Since you seem to be talking a lot about Dave?s views, which you admit (elsewhere) to not quite understanding yourself, could you please make this the last post in which you tell us about your cousin?s work? He is welcome to post his own comments, of course.

Thanks
Deb

Okay, I'll abide.
I'd just like to say I have assisted him in his theories and have accepted his views on many if not all of his observations. Some of these ideas actually originated from his brother Daniel, Whom, at present, is not interested in being accredited.
And Dave is the one published, not I.
I just felt that it is more appropriate to attribute these views to him for the reasons stated above. That is, he can point to being the source of the origination of these very same views because he has done 3 documented radio programs on these subjects and has numerous posts around the web in many Forums such as this. As I stated before, Dave is not interested in Web Forums any longer. At least not right now.
Dave has been given indication that very soon there will be public acknowledgement of his book and many of his theories. I felt that posting on as many threads of this nature as I could would help the cause...that is the "Understanding' and acceptance of this material.
I'll refer to all info in the 'First Person' henceforth. Both Dave and I are cool with that.
I'll mention his name no more at this Forum. Thanks for understanding.
Sincerely, Tony Salzana, aka Skippy Sanchez.

I am posting Dave's introduction into this pre-existing thread, rather than starting up another thread relating to Dave's work on the birth chart of Jesus. I have also locked the other thread about that work in the nativities section, because it was becoming apparent (or at least suspicious) that posts were being made in order to promote the thread in the forum.

Within the last few days Dave's name has been mentioned by one or two specific individuals in no less than 12 posts, in 8 threads across 3 forums, and that is not necessary, and not healthy for the forum. If anyone wants to know about this book it can be purchased here - http://www.hiddenmysteries.com/xcart/pr ... ctid=18780
If you want to discuss it, please use the space below and keep all comments relating to Dave Masty, his past and present work, and the proposed chart of Jesus within this thread. Then this particular and specialist subject can have a dedicated area for discussion whilst being contained within one area of the forum.

Dave's introductory post follows:

Howdy ya' all. I am making my first post here at this Forum other than the introduction I give of myself in the 'New' section of this Forum. I would like those of you that are interested to note that I'm about to experience some very significant transits in the next few days that should lead to some interesting developments, I believe.
Maybe we can all find something of interest in observation of this effect as it develops. And I'll keep any or all of you so informed if you desire.
I have had many very profound experiences these last 8 years, most particularlly, via transits by the 'Outer Planets' [Jupiter and beyond] conjuncting Arabic Parts.
My Part of Inheritance and Legacy is at 18* Pisces 56'...the Part of Fortune for the chart, I propose is the natal chart, of Jesus is conjunct this same degree of the Zodiac. Uranus is currently in "Return' to this point. As Uranus is known as the "Great Awakener" it should be of some great significance at this time, I believe, that it is making this conjunction at the time this material and its' theories are being presented to the world.
My part of Servant and Service [which I believe refers to ones 'Spiritual Servitude'] is at 13* Virgo 16'...where Saturn only just recently conjuncted and my Part of Sudden Advancement is at 19* Virgo 49'...where Saturn will be conjunct on about Nov. 13th.
My Part of Faith is at 21* Capricorn 04' and this is where Jupiter will be conjunct on Nov. 25th.
Another conjunction I feel is most significant, of this time in my life, is that with my Part of Transformation, which is located at 28* Sag. 29' where Pluto not only conjuncted but made its' final return from this past September.
Considering the odds of all these particular Parts being in conj. with these particular Planets at once and at this time I find most interesting and stimulating.
I'll post here any significant occurences in my life and or endeavours that arise in the coming weeks. I'll be very surprised if nothing occurs worth noting.
Time will tell.
Dave Mastry.

ps...I also should mention that transiting Mercury was just conjuct the Saturn/Neptune conjunction on my natal chart. I have Saturn at 22* Libra 16' and Neptune at 21* Libra 52' which is also being 'Heavily' aspected by transiting Neptune at this time in Aquarius which also happens to be about to conjunct my Natal Moon at 24* Aquar. 02' and my I.C. at 24* Aquar. 21'...Interesting times, for sure.
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Howdy, I have decided to join this Forum as I have been repeatedly requested to do so by a few members, most pointedly my cousin Tony, a.k.a. skippy sanchez.
I am the author of the book "A Template for the Time. the Astrological Birth Chart of Jesus."
I will be pleased to answer any questions concerning any of the material found in the book, any statements I made on radio or any questions concerning the posts left by Tony or any posts I may make myself in the future.
I have just started writing a second book on the future transits of the 'Outer Planets'...a sort of book on prophecy or divination you might say. I'll see how it develops.
I utilize the talents of a clairvoyant in some matters, if that's of any concern to some of you. She has proven herself to me over the many years I have known her. Her name is Clarisse Conner. She has her own website and pyshic consultation enterprise, [A gals' got to make a living].
She can also be heard on many radio broadcasts 'on the air' and on internet web-cast.
It was Clarisse whom 'Saw' this endeavour happening for me nearly 6 years ago, quite sometime before I even had an 'inkling' of it myself.
She also told me I'd write a second book on "Prophecy"...just as I'm doing now.
Thank you for this opportunity and let any questions 'FLY"...you may also feel free to personally contact me at; piercethevale@yahoo.com
Sincerely, Dave Mastry.

quitefunky, WOW!...I was always under the assumption that the data for Lilith and the other minor Orbs and such as you have posted here within this proposed chart were unavailable for that time i.e. 2000 years ago. But then again I hadn't the inclination or need to check for them or try to utilize them
I would like to note here that the woman, I refer to as Miss X in the book, whom was the catalyst of understanding the significance of Pluto conjunct the Ascendant and I have a composite Venus [mid-point method] in the 14th degree of Aries...the symbol for which is of 'Soul-Mates'...and yet another synchronistic-cosmic-symbolic occurence that there have been so many of.
Miss X and this proposed natal chart for Jesus share many of the same degrees of the Zodiac between Orbs and Arabic Parts. The only Arabic Part she shares both in nature and Zodiacal degree is the Part of Love which for her natal chart and this proposed chart is the 26th degree of Leo. Symbol for the 'Covenant between God and Mankind' [according to Rudhyars analysis].
Also, interestingly, is that this degree of the Zodiac is mentioned in a post my cousin left in this forum on my application of the musical scale to the Zodiac. It corresponds to the non-existing 'E#' and of which degree of the Zodiac, along with it's opposite the 26th degree of Aquarius [the non-existent 'B#'].
I also feel that once the mechanics of applying the spectrum of light to the Zodiac, as has been attempted by many most notably including Issac Newton, there will be discovered an 'optical anomoly' concerning these two degrees of the Zodiac. My good friend and spiritual advisor, the clairvoyant, Clarisse Coneer concurs that there will be someting found at these two degrees of a most curious nature.
We will see.

In answer to your suggestion. I must admit I've heard the term "Pole axe" but know little if anything about them or what you are specifically refering too.
I would like to point out that there is a 'Septile Matrix' of Asc/Moon/Pluto -bi septile to Mars- which is in turn bi septile to Venus- which in turn is bi septile to Neptune- and which in turn is 'Septile' to the Asc/Moon/Pluto conj. of this chart.
It would seem then that Neptune deserves some more attention from me as per regarding this chart.
Thanks for your observations!
ps...i feel it significant to note that Miss X and I have a composite Lilith conjunct my natal moon at the 25th degree of Aquarius...and that She and I had a 'Tantric' experience together many years ago early in our relationship.
Miss X and I have not seen one another in over two years.We felt that a parting of the ways was in the best interest for us both at that time.
She and I have been in recent communication and we have decided upon another attempt at co-habitating and she plans on being here with me in No. Calif this coming week.
I believe she would like to 'Come Out", so to speak, and hopefully may even contribute some observations and thoughts here at this forum also.
Thanks again to all for your interest and support.

I wanted to discuss the Stars of Bethlehem som 20 years ago and wanted to release a book. Olivia Barclay said: "Lie low." While the topic is interesting, it is an area of great controversy and is likely to create a great upstirr...

I still find it interesting to research into this matter that has made such an impact on history and humanity, but I never press issues. There may be no absolute truth.

Andrew J. Bevan Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 2:17 pm Post subject:

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I wanted to discuss the Stars of Bethlehem som 20 years ago and wanted to release a book. Olivia Barclay said: "Lie low." While the topic is interesting, it is an area of great controversy and is likely to create a great upstirr...

I still find it interesting to research into this matter that has made such an impact on history and humanity, but I never press issues. There may be no absolute truth.

...Well Andrew, don't leave me 'hanging' here. Please share some of your observations and theories.
Might I entice you with another theory of mine that was produced by this natal chart I propose.
In the book I mention my many encounters with the numbers 666 and 888...which by Rudhyars and a couple of other sources I can't recall at the moment [ as all my books and research are up in Redding Calif. for temporary keeping] are of Gnostic source and are no doubt older by origin [possibly Essene and even possibly Hermetic and or Kabbalistic].
All the Planets when viewed over great expanses of time have conjunctions that occur in a geometrical matrix. The 'Great Trigon of Jupiter and Neptune' which is mentioned and illustrated by Robert Temple in his book "The Sirius Mystery' is one most notable.
The interesting thing about these numbers of 666 and 888, if they are Astrological cycles as the Gnostic sources and Rudhyar suggests, is that these cycles will always conjuct at the same degree of the Zodiac. This would re-occur then every 2664 years.
If these cycles represent the orbits of some Orbs yet to be [re?]-discovered then they would also conjuct at one of these cycles of 2664 years with one or more of the known Orbs of our Solar System. I propose that degree of the Zodiac in question is at the 1st degree of Libra. This is the degree that Pluto is found in in this chart.
I haven't been able to accurately determine how often Plutos occupation of this degree of the Zodiac would co-incide with this cycle of 2664 years but I have a hunch it will be around 10 of these cycles... thus every 26,664 years. This is the apprx. timeline given by Vedic knowledge/Science as the re-occurence of Avataric incarnation here on Earth and of the cycles of Yugas [Ages].
I've utilized the Astrodienst Ephemeris as far as it would allow me within its limited time frame and found that all the outer planets make a contribution to a matrixial pattern every 2664 years.
I don't have the list of matrices I observered that they make here with me but an afternoon utilizing their Ephemeris will produce some interesting results if you experiment with it.
Also when this natal chart is progressed every 2664 years a very unusual occurence is produced in that the Zodiacal degree of the 27th or 28th of Sag. recurs as either the Asc. Mid-Haven, etc.
As this degree of the Zodiac by some schools of thought is considered the "Galatic Center" this becomes very intriguing....and as Pluto has just presently done the old 'Do -Si- Do' on this degree [which also happens to be my Arabic Part of Transformation] it becomes most interesting [to me at least] in regards to this current time. The present oppositon of Saturn and Uranus add some fuel to this 'fire' of interest for this time; especially considering the attention Dane Rudhyar gave this aspect which can be read about in his book on this subject of Saturn and Uranus.
...I should mention that in the chart below I re-use the date April 2nd as I can't accurately determine the progression of the Gregorian Calendar for that year...[Damn that leap year conversion stuff]...also I realized, only now, that I should have utilized the year 2667 for the precise date but as Temple showed these cycles re-occur at a slight 'offset' that I believe will eventually prove that these cycles are not 'Closed linear patterns' but are spirical in nature...as all things in the universe have most recently been observed to actually occur in.
I don't completely understand this and I realize the danger in proposing in-complete equations. Einsteins' own in-complete theories of Electro-magnetism, I feel, are a good example of this danger.
But I see a pattern here...Dots that might be and thus should be connected by someone that may find a use for it and a way to do it.
,,,note: some hours after I first posted this I realized I should have said Pluto will conjunct the same point as the two theorized Orbs or influences every 20th conjunction of the latter two. Thus 20 x 2664yrs....53,280 yrs. or two cycles of the Yugas.

...I should have added to the above post that the current progressed proposed chart for Jesus has a M.C. at the 28th degree of Sag.
...hence another reason I find progressing this birth chart so curious.
All the more so the reason being this is the supposed 'Galatic Center, that Pluto has just conjuncted this degree of the Zodiac at the same time as that degrees progression to the M.C. of this chart...coupled with the Uranus/Saturn opposition with Uranus in the 19th degree of Pisces, which, said degree, I find so significant to this birth chart as per the reasons stated previously.

...what I'm attempting to demonstrate here is the re-occurence of certain degrees of the Zodiac I find significant in this chart coinciding with planetary transits when this chart is progressed. Usually coinciding with timely events of note, as per regarding Christianity, since April 2, 003 A.D.

I should probably add one more item to keep the number of my posts down here.
It has to do with the cycles of 666 years and 888 years I propose are Astronomical.
When these hypothetical cycles conjunct any of the proposed chart axis degrees [Libra 1*, Cap. 1*, Aries 1* and Cancer 1*] hence every 166.5 years and 222 years, either before my proposed birth or after it, something quite historically significant has occured in the development of Spiritual understanding. I feel the years 669 A.D., 1338 A.D. and 2001 A.D. to be most indicative of this along with the years 891 A.D., 1779 A.D. and again the year 2001 A.D. [888 + 888 + 222]
Try applying this cycle yourself to known events in Spiritual development and for you ancient history and Biblical scholars give it a shot in the B.C. years...[Alexander the Great circa 333 B.C.{whom abolished all 'Sun Cults' as his first act in conquering a civilization} for one example]