don't listen to Kirk.

In this particular case sound advice. I think these techniques look useful but like any other need to be applied with judgement.

Matt

Hi Kirk,

thank you for your advice - although I think you express yourself a bit harsh. Astrojin talks about a method which (in his opinion) is ?quite? exact and he also mentions that one should learn all methods and then judge by oneself. And as long as I don`t know of what kind of method he speaks I do not allow myself to judge whether it is a good approach or not. It is more than obvious for me that there is no 100 percent foolproof method in astrology (as there is no one in psychology, philosophy, economic science etc.). I would like to hear as much opinions and experiences as possible, then test them and choose the one (or those) that fit me best ? and, of course, that brings the best results in delineation.

As to your question I`m not sure if I understood it right (English is not my native language). But if you want to know if I had the same problems with psychological astrology ? yes, at least in the beginning. There are also different kinds of schools with different approaches and methods. And what never really made sense to me was, that you could often read the same delineations e.g. for Mars in Aries - Mars in H 1 or Moon in Capricorn ? Moon in H 10 ? Moon in aspect to Saturn (the so called astrological alphabet). When there is no difference between a planet in a sign and the same planet in a house ? why do I need all these classifications (signs, houses, aspects)? This is something which I find is better handled in traditional astrology.

Best wishes
J?rgen

Hello Jogi,

Astrojin talks about a method which (in his opinion) is ?quite? exact and he also mentions that one should learn all methods and then judge by oneself. And as long as I don`t know of what kind of method he speaks I do not allow myself to judge whether it is a good approach or not.

GOOD FOR YOU!

Learn everything - then judge for yourself!

Even after you have made your judgement, you may have to revise the concepts you've learned when you get new information, read a new book/article, gained new experience...

As for Kirk, just ignore him.

Learn everything - then judge for yourself!

What horrid advice! Most of us don't live to be 120 years hold. Grabbing at techniques is a serious time-waster. Start with a firm philosophical basis and you will develop a sense for which techniques to pursue.

As for Kirk, just ignore him.

Even worse advice. The entertainment value alone is worth the perusal.

It was not my intention to provoke verbal disputes or contention between you or between other forum members. This is the problem with written words: you can`t hear accentuations in the voice, you can`t see gestures - so it`s sometimes difficult to decide how serious or ironic an argument is ment to be.

I reserve me the right to either follow or deny any advice - regardless from whom it is. Sure, it is not possible to grasp every existing technique. Hence everybody has to decide by himself how many he would like to face and how deep he would like to dig.

I am open to every advice, every opinion and every experience. I see this forum as a platform to learn from each other - even if there are sometimes quite contradictory ideas and approaches. This keeps everything exciting as long as we do not take it deadly serious .

Best wishes
J?rgen

As for Kirk, just ignore him.

Even worse advice. The entertainment value alone is worth the perusal.

Indeed, but remember the dictum " brevity is the soul of wit". As for humour Jurgen (sorry cannot type umlauts) it is important to laugh sometimes even though we all take the subject seriously.Irony can indeed be lost unless you add a lot of smiley faces to your posts and what one person finds funny another doesn't. Steven can't stand Morinus but I always smile when he denounces other authorities in his self-opinionated way.

Matt

Christmas is nearly here and the silly season is about to begin. But we seem to have moved from the question of whether the Sun could ever be unimportant, to the question of whether Kirk could ever be unimportant. (I find both propositions difficult to digest).

This is the problem with written words ? you can?t see gestures ?

At this stage, in this discussion, I am thinking that?s a good thing.

Here in the north the Sun will very soon hit its low point and will start to regain strength and brilliance. When I hit my low point I just fall over.

Kirk

When I hit my low point I just fall over.

Will that be on Hogmanay by any chance?

As it is the season of goodwill I shall now graciously forgive you for calling me a new-ager earlier this year.I was so upset at the time that even my Bach flower rescue remedies failed to calm me down and ony a tantric aromatherapy massage by my shakti restored my taoist inner smile.

Merry Christmas everybody!

And "Ave Sol Invictus" (we do not want any Mithraists to feel left out do we?)

Matt

Hello,

To all who asked me for the write up on the horoskopos determination, I have sent it to you through the emails you provided.

Thank you.

I think sometimes it`s very important to have people with contradictory attitudes and opinions. They can stir us up and refresh/enliven our thinking when it became deadlocked and stiff. But, in my opinion, everything depends not so much in what they say but the way how they say it - and then I can appreciate these spirits of contradiction.

@ Astrojin
Thank you very much! I`ll stay in touch with you.

I wish you all a merry Christmas .

J?rgen