Lilly's consideration number 23 states: "Beware in all Judgments, when the Significator of the question is either Combust, or in Opposition to the Sun, he will then signify nothing of the matter, no good, nor is he able to bring anything to perfection."

Since the Moon is considered a co-significator of the Querent, in your experience, does this mean that anytime there is a full moon or new moon the judgment of the chart will always be "nothing will come of the matter," even if the 2 main significators are not the moon?

What if one of the significators is the sun, such as in a relationship question, and Aquarius is on the ascendant and Leo on the 7th house cusp?

I have to say, I have never seen a chart with a New Moon, where anything has come to fruition. Sometimes, it's a flat 'no'. The Moon has no power to act in such a case; even if the Sun is a significator, the Moon person or thing is overwhelmed; this doesn't necessarily negate the whole thing, but it puts the Moon person at a huge disadvantage, and, being so powerless in the face of overwhelm, the Moon person can't really affect much in the chart.

Full Moons are different. It doesn't mean that 'nothing will come of the matter' (which is more often associated, dubiously, with a VOC moon)....but it does show a lot of strain and stress on the querent or whoever is getting the Moon.

My thruppence.
GH

This consideration seems indeed to be a little irritating: The Moon in opposition to the Sun is from a former classical point of view and contrary to the possible opinion of Lilly at its strongest!

For example Ibn Ezra, The Beginning of Wisdom, translated by Meira B. Epstein, p. 114 f:

The moon has sixteen ways with regard to the sun.
. . . From there [[135 degrees between her and the Sun]] until her distance from the opposition to the Sun is 12 degrees she is in her power, and at the moment of the opposition she is in her great[est] strength.

Lilly speaks in consideration number 23 of

'. . . the Significator of the question . . .'

and not of the signficators. Perhaps he doesn't want to include the significator of the querent, but only that of the quesited? Or at least he wants to exclude the Moon as co-significator?

The power of the Moon comes from the light she reflects from the Sun. Hence, she has no power at a New Moon (she has no light!). At Full Moon, however, she is "sated" - she has the full amount of light and hence power - and yet it is only a transient stage, as she will inevitably lose it gradually to become a New Moon... and so the cycle repeats! So on the one hand, yes the Moon is at her most powerful when Full because she has the most light, but on the other hand, she will lose it again imminently!

There is also the idea that the Moon's strength lies in her desire for light (hence she rules our subconscious, desire nature). At Full Moon her desire has been satisfied, and so she has no power because she has no inclination to do anything - she is completely happy where she is, with the maximum amount of light. So seen in this context, she is very weak as you would be hard pressed to get her to do anything!

Perhaps the strongest position for the Moon is between New and Full, where she is gaining in light and has the desire to keep moving

An interesting point Gunhilde. I have found this to be true also, despite the common idea being that a New Moon is a time of new beginnings - perhaps the New Moon itself is a time of ideas and little else, given the Moon has no light and therefore no power to act.

Keren

Hi Dlynne

I have frequently seen that activities on a chart with a New Moon are hidden or secretive in nature.

The New Moon is combust the Sun, which is what makes her invisible: and simultaneously combustion drains her of her power. If you have a need for total secrecy to carry out your plans, you will find that your power to act becomes more limited as well.

Best,

Pam

This thread in very good but I noticed it didnt include a discussion about the CAZIMI Moon, that is,when the Moon is within 17-18 mins from the SUN. While technically a Ne Moon, if one does a chart when the Moon or, for that matter, any other planet, is within that distance from the SUn, i means they are being EXALTED. That means a quite different condition from being combust near the SUn.

I can't remember offhand the thread where cazimi Moon was discussed, but I do remember some disagreement over it being positive or negative because a cazimi planet is basically the most combust you can get and the Moon is likely the most sensitive to combustion. I would not call it "exalted" also, as that is an essential dignity. Cazimi is known as being fortified by being in the heart of the Sun, which is not the same thing as being in exaltation.

Here is a thread on Morin and cazimi planets, which goes into the Moon a bit:
http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic ... c&start=30

(it might have been discussed there but I don't have time to check the entire thread).