PFN wrote:Ok, now my point is that talking about moral behaviors and benign character in nativity becomes one torny thing in the end, cause even moral behavior is a constructo of astrological basis if you think about it, and time runs, always. And sometimes, well, Jupiter just ingress Gemini while Saturn is in Cancer... and all of us still reason within "morals" that eventually can be set in on this kind of very dreadfull moment in time, and important things can happen to trigger when all the world simply is against your very dignity, if it is not fit in that enviroment... that's why I've come to believe that planetary dignity as measure of decency, morals and honesty is deceiving in a natal reading, cause it can very well be the reason of problems and downfalls, not a solution.

Hi PFN,

I'm not completely sure if I understand your point, but I think that on the natal chart morals, dignity of character, etc. belong very much to the free will realm, and that's why it?s probably not possible to judge those from the chart. One can have very difficult circumstances but still decide to try to behave in a dignified way. Or vice versa.

Otherwise we would be only automatic machines, acting by a behavioristic model where pushing a button gives a certain response! There would be no need for punishing for crimes, because criminals would be unaccountable ? ?the stars made me to do it!? ?I couldn?t help it!? There would be no need for religion or personal growth, because you would be what you are anyway. I would not like to see myself or other people in that way, without any personal choice for the quality of one's action.