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Thank you, Mr Bevan and Granny.

Yes, I realize that Tecumseh's curse is traditionally elated to the
Jupiter/Saturn conjunction in an earth sign.

However, I was thinking that the risk of an assassination might well
be related to conjunctions/oppositions with malefic tars and asteroids
as well.

Note that the 7.35 pm chart has Regulus rising with Algol at the MC.

Regulus tends to confer high and powerful positions, but with the
risk of a sudden downfall. It also carries a risk being a victim of
vengeance or violence, which may be the cause of such downfall.

Benazhir Bhutto, using one of the more reliable birthtimes given
on the net, had Regulus at the MC.


Ed Tamplin attributes Tecumseh's curse as being more likely due
to Neptune.

http://www.stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0006076.htm

exact time of the end of the oath

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Hello all,

I watched the inauguration with a 2nd TV giving the exact time to the second on the teletext page.
Exactly at 12:06:15 Obama said "so help me God".
This was essential. Without this, the oath wouldn't be complete and legal.

For that very moment I made his horoscope and gave a lengthy delineation using modern methods, but also using a classical horoscope with only the 7 planets and hellenistic points like Part of fortune and Part of Daemon.

You would need a translation program, since my article was written in dutch language. It first starts with the original time, since I wrote that some time before. Below is the new chart and additonal remarks.

http://home.hetnet.nl/~ligteneigen3/hor ... bama2.html

The nice work in astrology is to make a check list with dates and predictions and then check if there really happened such and such..

Best to you all, John

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interesting thought but not true, the oath is important, 'so help me god' is not part of the oath.It is Optional, Its a tradition here, but you dont have to include it. many religions here forbid it and at least one president hasn't said it. (Quakers for one are against it) The president elect will tell the judge in advance whether or not to Exclude that line.

the entire oath is as follows:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Granny

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some background info: from Wikipedia,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_of ... ted_States
The administrator of the oath
While the Constitution does not mandate that anyone administer the oath, the oath is typically administered by the Chief Justice, but sometimes by another federal or state judge (George Washington was first sworn in by Robert Livingston, the chancellor of the State of New York in 1789, while Calvin Coolidge was first sworn in by his father, a Justice of the Peace and a Vermont notary public who lived in a home without electricity, phone, or running water, in 1923). By convention, incoming Presidents raise their right hand and place the left on a Bible or other book while taking the oath of office.

William R. King is the only president or vice president sworn into office on foreign soil. By special act of Congress, he was allowed to take his oath for the office of the Vice President on March 24, 1853 in Cuba, where he had gone because of his poor health.[3] He died 25 days later.

From 1789 through 2009, the swearing-in has been administered by 15 Chief Justices, one Associate Justice, three federal judges, two New York state judges, and one notary public. Though anyone legally authorized to administer an oath may swear in a President, to date the only person to do so who was not a judge was John C. Coolidge, Calvin Coolidge's father, a notary whose home the then-Vice President was visiting in 1923 when he learned of the death of President Warren G. Harding.

Sarah T. Hughes is the only woman to administer the oath of office (she was a U.S. District Court judge who swore Lyndon Johnson into office on Air Force One after the Kennedy assassination).


[edit] The option of taking an oath or an affirmation
Franklin Pierce was the only president known to use the word affirm rather than swear. Theodore Roosevelt did not use a Bible when taking the oath in 1901. Dwight Eisenhower, Harry Truman, and Richard Nixon swore the oath on two Bibles. John Quincy Adams swore on a book of law.[4] Lyndon B. Johnson was sworn in on a Roman Catholic missal on Air Force One. Washington kissed the Bible afterwards, and subsequent presidents followed suit, up to Harry Truman,[5], but Dwight Eisenhower broke that tradition by saying his own prayer instead of kissing the Bible.[6] Barack Obama used a Bible when taking the oath the first time, but then did not use a Bible when re-taking the oath in private the following day.

Forms of administering the oath
There have been two forms of administering, and taking, the oath of office.

The first, now in disuse, is where the administrator articulates the constitutional oath in the form of a question, and modifying the wording from the first to the second person, as in, "Do you George Washington solemnly swear ...", requesting an affirmation. At that point a response of "I do" or "I swear" completes the oath.

It is believed that this was the common procedure at least until the early 20th century. In 1881, the New York Times article covering the swearing in of Chester A. Arthur, reported that he responded to the question of accepting the oath with the words, "I will, so help me God."[7] In 1929, Time magazine reported that the Chief Justice began the oath uttering, "You, Herbert Hoover, do you solemnly swear . . ."[8] Hoover replied with a simple "I do".

In the second, and current form, the administrator articulates the oath in the affirmative, and in the first person, so that the President takes the oath by repeating it verbatim.

Many times the President-elect's name is added after the "I"; for example, "I, George Washington, do . . ." Lyndon B. Johnson did not add his name when swearing his first oath of office after Kennedy's death; there is evidence that in all other inaugurations since Franklin Roosevelt's first, the name of the president was added to the oath.

time of oath

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Thanks for the legal investigations. Now that we all know the ins and outs of the oath and the presidentship, we must go back to our astrological input.
I also noted the time when the oath of Obama began (with the 2nd TV set on teletext). That was at 12:05:45. It ended at 12:06:17 when Obama was congratulated by the judge who swore him in.

We could make three inaugural horoscopes for:
(a) 12:00:00
(b) 12:05:45 - begin of oath
(c) 12:06:15 - end of oath

I already made my large delinaetions on horoscope (c) which I hold personally as the most correct one.
The site: http://home.hetnet.nl/~ligteneigen3/hor ... bama2.html

You would need a translation program to read the translated dutch text.
I made prognoses on basis of the inaugural chart with the special method I also used to predict the death of Milosevic in 2004.
Second I made an attempt to use the Hellenistic chart with only the classical planets and tried to make some conclusions there.

If you make these three horoscopes wou will be surprised to see the big differences in the positions of Neptune that moves into the 10th with option (c).
With options (a) and (b) it will be in the 11th.

Best to you all... John

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The debate rolls on....

http://politicalastrologyblog.com/2009/ ... ion-chart/

The second innauguration has rather muddied the waters from an astrological point of view. Without this either the 12.00 noon or 12.05 time would have been a good test of competing interpretations of the void of course Moon in a mundane chart.

The late Moon in Scorpio (on Obama's MC) is VOC in both charts based on a strict sign boundary aproach but considering applying moeity orbs across the sign boundary the Moon is sextile Mercury, Jupiter and the Sun with either time.

I suppose the retaking of the oath could be used by sign boundary advocates as evidence the original oath was ill fated due to a VOC Moon. Advocates of the moeity orb across sign boundary approach will possibly t rely on the retrograde mercury as explanation enough.