raphnix wrote:


Does this mean that if you're star sign is associated or ruled by the above mentioned planet you're more likely to commit those sins more frequently and have those virtues too? Or did De Vore just tallied this from his analysis to the individual star signs and concluded its association to the sins and vistues?

The latter. We love making these lists of correspondences. It helps us to know that we understand the qualities of the planets and signs and is a memory aid as well. Be wary of studying Qabalah though. Those people do it too much.IMHO

Matt

Kim Farnell wrote:De Vore gives:

Sins: Pride, Jupiter; covetousness, Saturn; lust, Venus; wrath, Mars; gluttony, Mercury; envy, Moon; indolence, Sun.

I have this list:

Saturn:greed; Jupiter:gluttony; Mars:wrath; Sun: pride; Venus:lust; Mercury:envy; Moon:sloth.

On the other hand, Dante gives the following list for the inhabitants of the seven heavenly spheres :

Moon: souls disposed to virtue; Mercury: souls disposed to good for fame; Venus, true love and friendship; Sun, theologians; Mars, warriors because of faith; Jupiter, kings; Saturn, contemplative souls.

Margherita

Gjiada wrote:Moon: souls disposed to virtue; Mercury: souls disposed to good for fame; Venus, true love and friendship; Sun, theologians; Mars, warriors because of faith; Jupiter, kings; Saturn, contemplative souls.

Thanks, this sounds interesting. Sun and theologians... Sun = God / Spirit...

Sari

Gjiada wrote:

I have this list:

Saturn:greed; Jupiter:gluttony; Mars:wrath; Sun: pride; Venus:lust; Mercury:envy; Moon:sloth.

Hi Margherita,

Your list seems to fit very neatly with the seven corruptions mentioned in the Hermetic texts (listed earlier in this thread). Can I ask if you have a traditional source for this, or is it something that you put together yourself? I am talking about the first list in your post, not the one from Dante's work

Deb

Deb wrote: Can I ask if you have a traditional source for this, or is it something that you put together yourself?

I did not put together myself the list, but I can't remember where I took it.

I searched a little in my books and I found a late extract from "Coeliloquium morale" written by Albertus de Cottignola in 1529.

The complete title is:
Coeliloquium morale p. fratris Alberti de Marchesiis de Cottignola Ordinis minorum de obseruantia artium ac sacrae theologiae lectoris peritiss. Approbatum Clementis VII. Decreto ne quis hunc librum infra septennium imprimat aut alibi impressum uendat: sub poenis in eo contentis.
Pubblicazione: (Impressum Bononie : in aedibus Ioannis Baptiste de Phaellis, die 20 Maij 1529

It gives almost the same list, just Saturn and Mercury are switched because according Alberto: "Mercury, silver in colour and always following the Sun, always signifies Avarice because it is always in search for money and always follows arrogance." (Sun)

And about Saturn: "In Saturn, a star with a plumbeous, livid colour, always understand envy, which is a lividness nourished with others' good fortune, which makes the soul plumbeous and heavy."

Anyway, I prefer the first one, it makes more sense to me.

Margherita

Anyway, I prefer the first one, it makes more sense to me.

Yes, to me too - but thank you for the Albertus reference too. If you do come across the first reference again, you could perhaps add the details later - I'd love to know the source of that list.

Best wishes
Deb

Gem wrote:

Mercury associated with gluttony??

It does seem like an odd association but I know three pathological overeaters, and two of them are Gemini Suns and the third has Gemini rising. So maybe it's not as odd as it seems.

Tara

Tara
I know a couple of overweight Libras but this kind of random examples is meaningless. Associating the sign Gemini with gluttony based on just three examples is too simplistic.

I agree with others that if Mercury is to be associated with gluttony, it must be mental ones rather than physical ones. I'm not convinced by some of Nicholas de Vore's other associations either.

All very interesting I vote Jupiter for the Gluttony vice, not merc and the last analogy resonated for me too

Dorian Greenbaum has just sent me an interesting reference on this subject, which she came across in a section in Alan Scott's Origen and the Life of the Stars which describes Servius, Commentary on the Aeneid of Vergil, 6.714 (2.98.21-24 Thilo):

'when souls descend, they draw with them the sloth of Saturn, the wrath of Mars, the lust of Venus, the yearning for money of Mercury, and the desire to rule of Jupiter. These things cause disturbance to the souls so that they are unable to exercise their power and properties.'

'when souls descend, they draw with them the sloth of Saturn, the wrath of Mars, the lust of Venus, the yearning for money of Mercury, and the desire to rule of Jupiter. These things cause disturbance to the souls so that they are unable to exercise their power and properties.'

I wonder why the Moon is missing here?

Thanks for the note on Alan Scott's book: ''Origen and the Life of the Stars''. Its a bit expensive to buy but I see its stored in the National Library here. It looks worth reading.

The Sun is missing too. Maybe the author has omitted the lights.