13 by aglaya From what you've written about the Mars being in the triplicity of Venus and concluding that he doesn't reall ylike her I take it that you'd consider the Quesited's significator being in the Querent's term(face/triplicity) to be a sign of his affection for her! Am I right? Because, the way I'd look at the Mars (in this case, at least) when found in the term(or any other dignity) of the Venus would be as a sign of the Querent's affection for the Quesited rather that the other way around. The L7 being in the triplicity of the L1 = the Quesited is RECEIVED BY the Querent or, in other words- it is she who likes/receives him. Same goes for the mutual affection between the phisical bodies or their mutual sexual attraction when examined through the (potential) mutual reception of her venus and his Sun. So, from that perspective- I'd examine how the Venus is received by his ruler and, it looks like she is well received- she in the triplicity and the face of Mars. Though, I'm aware that some astrologers would strictly suggest it was the other way around. Still, like I said- I'm not sure if I've understood your approach well. No, the significators can not meet because the Jupiter (or the Jupiter/Moon aspect) is obviously preventing that from hapening and now we have found out why - they will simply stay distant and will not work together (the querent took the "working together" option for granted- that's how the question was triggered). Of course, the Venus was yet to turn into a retrograde motion and eventually meet Mars but- only after the prohibition takes place. As a matter of fact- the Mars and the Venus are finally conjuct now. Strange- as she has received the rejection note yesterday! I am aware that the Moon is also the co-ruler of the question and the planet of feelings but, I just couldn't help but to use it as her L10 because it is so obvisly aspecting the ruler of her colegues who get the jon instead of her and prevent her form meeting him again. The Jupiter, the prohibitor- was the one to prevent that from happening and it seems like the Jupiter's aspect with the Moon was telling a part of the story- it was the job (or her not getting it) that has, in the end- played the biggest role here. Quote Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:05 pm
14 by mojo aglaya, Really it's not my approach, it seems to be Frawley's. When one planet is placed in the dignities of other planet, it likes what that other planet signifies. The degree of this likeness is changing according to the type of dignity: love (domicile), exaltation speaks for itself, triplicity (liking), terms (a lesser degree of liking), face (almost indifferent). The L7 being in the triplicity of the L1 (??? of the Moon you probably wanted to say)= the Quesited is RECEIVED BY the Querent That's right. I'd rather give an example that seems close to life. Mars (L7) is in the triplicity of the Moon (significator of the querent) and at the same time in her detriment. Mars is recieved by the Moon, it's like a guest and a host. Mars likes something here, the dinner, for instance (in the triplicity of the Moon) but the house is dirty and cockroaches are scurrying here and there (in the detriment of the Moon). However good the dinner is, all that untidy stuff will cross that good impression of the dinner off (the detriment is stronger than the triplicity). Quote Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:58 pm
15 by aglaya Yes, that is what I was asking- whether you were using the Frawley's "system". Because, i don't! ))) I am basically keen to believe that a planet being inside a certain sign denotes the interest of the that planet in whatever the sign and its ruler are representing (if L1 is in the sign or the house ruled by the Quesited's significator than I'd assume it was the Querent who is interested in the Quesited). Although, the Venus aspecting Mars from Aries (as mentioned in Deb's article about Lilly's rules of reception) could also mean that the Venus is received by that Mars in his own house. No strict rules! As for the exaltation- I'm trying to make notes and impressions on that part trying to find the "pattern"- so most of the times, I've seen the Querent's ruler exalting the planet that signifies what the Querent is hoping for or from whom/what he is expecting something etc. Of course, that is just my impression but I'm still more keen to believe that the planet is actually "exalting" something/someone than "being exalted" by that something or someone. But I'm still learning after all! I hope this is undrstandable! ))) But, as for the dignities- my approach would basically be the reversed "dinner story" ))). If the ruler of the Querent is in any of the essential dignities of the Quesited, then my first "conclusion" would be that she is well received by the Querent rather than that she likes him. I'd search for the signs of her affection on the other side- by checking his placement and where from are the planets aspecting each other (if they do form an aspect). Well, that is how I've been taught but it has worked in many, many cases so I'll stick to that for now or at least start from there. though, there's always more than just dignities that will lead towards the accurate reading. As for the quoted part about the L1/L7 and the Moon- I wasn't sugesting anything in particular - it was just an example "if we'd find the ruler of the 1st in the terms of the ruler of the 7th..." Quote Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:26 pm
16 by aglaya I'm going through some of my old posts and trying to add an update wherever it is possible. About five days ago, I phoned my cousin and asked her to tell me how this situation had ended though i was pretty sure that nothing had happened since she never mentioned it again. No, they never started a relationship. She actually only saw him once since the question was asked. The planets changing signs was obviously a good and strong indicator of a change that was about to take place. The Querent indeed started losing interest in this man and, some 2-3 months later, she fell in love with another person. I don't think that any of the orbs fit that time but the orb of the application of the Moon to Jupiter as well as the application of L1 to that same planet do fit the time between the question and her next meeting with the Quesited. She cannot remember the exact date anymore but she knows that it must have been somewhere in late August/early September (6-7 months, that should be it) and that she only said "Hi!" to him. The application of her ruler to Mars was prohibited by Jupiter (probably the significator of her new love interest), the Moon's next application to that planet was again, probably, suggesting the same thing, whilst all three relevant planets (L1,L7, the Moon) at rather critical degrees were clearly indicating that this story was soon to be terminated and that the Querent, or even more likely- both of them, would soon move on. The Moon is late but it is not VOC, yet, it's next application across the sign is actually suggesting something new, someone who is not the Questited and a change. I'm glad that the circumstances have turned her head into a different direction as, otherwise, she might have gotten hurt for the second time; the placement of the Moon and of her ruler did not seem promising at all. This just might be a good example of how careful we must be when examining the future potential and the future movement of the planets because, for as long as the Querent respects the reading, she or he can avoid the negative consequences that would inevitably follow their wrong moves. The Moon in this chart was about to enter the 8th (it was already on the cusp of that house) but it only gave a better description of the future of this "endaveour"- there was no future in it, at least not for the time being. But, as soon as the Querent had found a new love interest, her Moon jumped out of that 8th and started feeling better. So, she received no further damage from this situation after the question was asked and she soon moved on. But the answer to the original question is or was- a clear "No!". Again, thank you all for your help! Quote Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:41 am