Yes, I had 'forgotten' about Uranus. Currently opposing my natal Pluto and squaring my Sun. Oh, the joy. Perhaps Jupiter IS cushioning me, after all...I'll have to go back and reconsider - again!

GH

I have a horrible jupiter! In 10th Capricorn. Sextiles my sun (in scorpio 7th) - interestingly, i think my jupiter rep my father who is a very hard worker though not a cap but a libra - he has a lot of capricorn traits (loyalty, duty, hard worker, conservative, traditional, etc.).

Though he has worked hard and has been lucky enough to achieve wealth, he really hasn't been a very supportive father to me through the years. As an only child, he does love me I know and isn't really out of my life, he just never seems to be able to truly "affect" my life (very positively). I attribute this to jupiter in capricorn where jup is in fall.

Also, since tran jup has been in cap for me, my career has taken a hit, I've been completely down on my luck in terms of good roles coming and disappearing and I truly believe that it's because it's in fall capricorn despite jupiter being such an exalted planet in 10th..

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That makes sense. I think I have such a hard time with the Jupiter/Mars trine because Mars is in fall in Libra - which is where my Jupiter is - and you don't want a planet in exact aspect to a planet in the sign of its fall or detriment. I've seen that screw up so many people.

A planet in its fall or detriment making an aspect to another planet seems to bring similar grief.

And angular just makes it that much, well, in Jupiter's case - BIGGER.

I think you are over analyzing which I think astrologers have a tendency to do. Of course that's why I love astrology because it has so many details.

There's a text called 'the astrology of death' by Richard Houck, a Vedic astrologer, that points to Jupiter as a harbinger of death.

He died before his prediction of his own death. Maybe an over-estimated astrological significance. Jupiter square to Sun or something? It's in his chart somewhere, for sure.

Here's the complete first paragraph of my post:

Here are a couple recent forum examples of Jupiter as possible bad boy. They don't prove anything and don't suffice to pin the blame completely on Jupiter. They're merely the sort of thing to keep in mind in case you come across other examples. They both involve Jupiter opposed the ASC, or conjunct the DESC ? your preference.

I was interested in the fact that we had two recent forum examples of Jupiter opposed the ASC during accidents and made the observation so others could add them to other examples they may have.


I favor the traditional view of Jupiter as an indication of benevolence and moderation. An indication of possible 'extravagance' does seem to have been added which strongly opposes the understanding of Jupiter as a moderating influence. One example is the (apparently) modern idea of Jupiter as sometimes the bringer of excess, such as weight gain. Such excess can lead to ideas of misfortune.

If we want to find a possibly malevolent Jupiter involved in accidents, I suppose we really need to find cases where Jupiter was involved but things didn't work out so well. We just need to keep in mind our opinions regarding the results. Steven's bicyclist wasn't paralyzed or killed, so we can say that there looks to have been a benevolent influence indicated by benefic Jupiter. But what if he had been paralyzed? Oh well, at least he wasn't killed ? benevolence again. What if he had been killed with Jupiter involved? Is it benevolence once again because he doesn't have to live with paralysis? Benevolence because he gets to leave this vale of tears and move on to the bigger picture? Houck, the late Lois Rodden and others have noticed frequent Jupiter involvement at the time of death. Therefore is death an act of benevolence? Lordy, there seems to be pesky benevolence everywhere.

So much for benevolence and the kindly role of a benefic planet. Maybe we're better off thinking in terms of moderation. A 'moderated' accident will likely keep a physical body alive and functioning at least reasonably well.

Even though it's a universal benefic, I can't think of any reason that Jupiter couldn't be a killing planet in a chart.

And I don't like some Jupiter-Mars connections. I grant they can sometimes soften the blow, but if Jupiter is badly posited, it does seem, in my experience, to lead to a sort of fanaticism, or at least way too over-optimistic thinking.

At best sometimes it seems like a dumb note in a chart. But I alway get the clients with the Saturn-Mars oppositions, Jupiter in deriment or fall and besieged. Sometimes it doesn't seem to harm, but it doesn't seem to do any good, either.

In my own chart, it's just plain - weird. And going through lots of charts, a highly prominent Jupiter doesn't seem to lead to moderation a lot of the times - again, my experience. The person is usually decent, but often - not moderate at all. And the Jupiter-Mars stuff? Often some kind of religious weirdness or intolerance, especially in air.

But that's just what I've seen, and I know it doesn't stack to tradition.

I do think you have to make a judgement call. In an actual chart, you seldom find any planet that's perfect. So it comes down to is it more vitiated than fortunated, or vice-versa, and what's it been doing in the native's life up til now?

Even though it's a universal benefic, I can't think of any reason that Jupiter couldn't be a killing planet in a chart.

Indirectly, anyway. Like a weak Jupiter killing through inaction, allowing the harmful to take place ? just standing there, smiling benevolently.

I hear what you're saying about the Mars-Jupiter contacts. It often seems a person can kiss moderation goodbye with those.

My jupiter is something of a "dud" and a disappointment. It resides in the 11th and is currently trining my sun in H12 from H8 within 1 degree. Two days ago my friend died from a fast-moving cancer...yes, trines do speed things up.

I meant to study Liam Neeson's chart more closely as his wife Natasha Richardson died so tragically during Neeson's trine to his gemini sun, but I couldn't find a reliable time of birth. I will say that the first pass/trine to my sun this spring brought me an unexpected tax refund. Big whoop.

Olivia wrote:I've tended to have pretty horrible luck with Jupiter, too, even though it's got an essential dignity of 9, is in the 10th house in Libra, conjuncts my NN, rules my chart (Sag rising), is in generosity with Venus in Pisces, and it doesn't square anything (is opposite Mercury, though).

Homelessness, serious illness, loss of employment, loss of money - when I see a major Jupiter transit coming - at this point? - I want to hide under the bed til it's over. And it only seems to need a transit to set it off - returns are particularly brutal.

For what it's worth, I'm a good matchmaker - that probably sounds bizarre, but I am. It's the only Jupiter-Venus thing I can think of that's going for me. But - it only works for other people. Not for me.

But it's retrograde. Is yours, ancientstars?

Is Saturn positive when in its own sign Aquarius?

It is supposed to do some good, possibly in a bad way. The only example I have to hand is olympic swimmer Rebecca Adlington who has Saturn in domicile in Capricorn trine to a Mars in exile in Taurus.

I do not know the houses but perhaps Saturn gave her the discipline for long-term training at the expense of having fun when a teenager.

Matt

It depends on whether it's retrograde (which can be a huge debility) and what aspects it makes - but I'd rather see a dignified, well-aspected Saturn than a Jupiter in fall and retrograde were I looking for good in somebody's chart. Yes, there will be a Saturnian quality to the good as it's antithetical to honours, but it can still bring good. All the cool alchemists had good Saturn and Mars it seems.

And that is actually part of tradition.