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Re: Krusinski house system

51 by GR
hadrisnus wrote: The passage in Manilius that discusses the eight houses is a bit intriging and I was wandering how was it interpreted to end up in a system of twelve
In the Antiochus material (translation available here http://www.projecthindsight.com/), he mentions both a twelve topic and an eight topic system(with the topics shown by the 8 signs starting at the rising sign). I forget off hand, but one is coming from Hermes and the other from Nechepso(?), and the topics are mostly different for each system. I don't have the book on hand, so any specific references to the CCAG will have to wait until later.
Gabe

53 by Mark
According to some the concept of the 8 houses system is an erroneous interpretation in the beginning of the 20th century. Here's an article of Bill Johnston about this:
Very interesting. However, from my initial reading that doesn't appear the view taken by Robert Schmidt in his new translation of Antiochus. The new Project Hindsight translation series The Astrological Record of the Early Sages (aka ?TARES?) has a translation of the ?Introductory Matters? attributed to Antiochus.

I dont have my copy to hand right now but I will post on this when I get a chance.


Mark
As thou conversest with the heavens, so instruct and inform thy minde according to the image of Divinity William Lilly

54 by mattG
There is also an article on Patrice Guinard's site on the eight house system called The Dominion. You can find it on Skyscript Links. I rather like the idea of the last house being Death. Does have a ring of finality about it. :(

Matt

56 by GR
I think the erroneous element of the 8 topic system was the idea, probably due to Fagan and others, that:
  • 1) the topics where assigned against the order of the signs
    2) the ecliptic was itself divided by into 8 equal parts
Looking at Bill Johnston's article it seems to match what Antiochus and Bob is saying (which makes sense as Bill is part of Project Hindsight) is saying, apparently there is a misinterpolation of oktotopos into oktotropos between various sources.

A speculation has come upon me, if anybody would like to see if there appears any commonality between the 8 topic system and the Ptolemaic Questions?
Gabe

57 by Mark
GR Wrote:
In the Antiochus material (translation available here http://www.projecthindsight.com/), he mentions both a twelve topic and an eight topic system(with the topics shown by the 8 signs starting at the rising sign). I forget off hand, but one is coming from Hermes and the other from Nechepso(?), and the topics are mostly different for each system. I don't have the book on hand, so any specific references to the CCAG will have to wait until later.
Here is Robert Schmidt on this issue in his initial comments on the Introductory Matters of Antiochus:
Paragraphs 24 and 25 give a brief statement of the meanings assigned to each of the topical places ( ??houses??) . It is clear from the text that the whole-sign ?houses?? is meant here. What is interesting is that there are two different systems presented. The first is a twelve-topic system in which each of the twelve places is assigned meanings. The second is an eight-topic system in which only the first eight places are used. It is only in the eight topic system that we find a correlation with members of the native?s family. It is reasonable to assume that each of these two systems has its own rationale, which must be investigated in future volumes. The list of meanings found in later Hellenistic texts are evidently a conflation of the meanings of these two different systems.
Later in his commentary on ''The Eight -Topic System of Places'' he states:
'Some scholars have tried to argue that the eight topic system originated from the bisection of the four mundane quadrants, resulting in eight places, but there is certainly no evidence for that conjecture in the present text.''
As thou conversest with the heavens, so instruct and inform thy minde according to the image of Divinity William Lilly

58 by Vindex
You are talking a lot about Placidus and Regiomontaneus system.

My practice shows that Koch can be very usefule. In some chart you simply can t find events using Placidus.

I ll give you example. My 3 house starts in Aries, with Jupiter in Aries. Mars goes to solar eclipse 0 South Node.

my brother should die, (Jupiter - male planet, Aries - male sign), because Mars kills him from my 8 house on exact point of solar eclipse.

The truth is that i don t have a brother, i have sister.

In second example i have friend with planets in 3 house in Pisces - he doesent have brother or sister, he is only one.

So i think that Koch system shouldnt be ignored
As long as you remember me I ll never be too far

Regiomontanus and Morinus program

59 by gothic5
I use the Morinus program and had a question about the Zenith Distance in Regiomontanus settings.(ZD) I thought Zenith Distance was 90- Altitude although I know a lot of things change in Regio system.Just asking if anyone can explain how Zenith Distance is found in the Morinus astrology program.thanks -Harold
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