Hello: Sorry, Kirk, but my work is an investigation and, besides, a
very hard rectfication of Michael's Natal Chart that I did with a System
of multi-keys discovered by myself.
The rectification was made with sixteenth facts of his life. I can send them.


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<center><u>La hora natal rectificada es <b>:23:51:00</b>,sin los 02 segundos.</u></center><br>
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<center>Aqu? la hora rectificada del tema , con su correspondiente <u>Asc en G?minis.</u></center><br>

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<div>En este 2do mapa incluyo un m?todo personal, llamado Tercio de
Sectores.Si la carta est? bien rectificada, se ve c?mo cada planeta
nos "narra" el significado del tercio donde se halla. En cada carta
hay 36 tercios de sectores, cuyos significados nos orientan en relaci?n
con los principales hechos vividos por el nativo. Rectificar no es una
operaci?n f?cil ni evidente,pero con las facilidades que he logrado
(me refiero al significado de los decanatos, el de los subsignos y el
de los Tercios, especialmente) esta tarea se simplifica y se hace menos
dura.Luego, se pasa a la aplicaci?n de las direcciones simb?licas que
son claves de velocidad.
Los planetas encerrados en las figuras geom?tricas son los planetas
r?pidos y los restantes son los lentos.Esta es otra dualidad que presenta
el tema de este artista.</div><br>


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<div>Esta es una carta que presenta 12 Casas cuyas longitudes son iguales a
los 12 Signos y resulta ?til para establecer el cronometraje del hecho
de la vida del nativo que nos interese.Se puede lograr con el programa
Solar Fire v5.0 ? v6.0. y se llama Whole Signs.Se le puede aplicar las profecciones.En este caso, apliqu? la del Asc Profecto.</div><br>

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<div>Lo expresado anteriormente se ve, con meridiana claridad, en el presente
gr?fico.</div><br>

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<div>Por ?ltimo, observamos en esta imagen c?mo la direcci?n simb?lica
Directa, Ixarcher 3, se?ala en forma partil el fallecimiento de Michel.
Marte cuadratura al eje del Destino (IV/X) y con un orbe de tan s?lo 18"
Ya en el aspectario del tema se ve a Marte haciendo semicuadratura a
la 2da y sesquicuadratura a la 8va. M?s perfecci?n no se puede pedir.
Por supuesto, a continuaci?n van agregados unos quince (15) sucesos
m?s del artista m?s electrizante de esa generaci?n.</div><br>
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<center> Pasar a la 2da web, sobre Rectificaciones.Click sobre el enlace.</font></p></center><br>
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<blink> Link a Michael Jackson's Page</blink>
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<div>Es notable c?mo, este artista, ingres? en el planeta y se fue de ?l con la misma vibraci?n planetaria. (Seis: Venus).</font></div><br>

Personal-Web: www.wonderful495.es.tl

It is an actual astrology site, Kirk, I checked - but pop ups do come through on it. So I didn't stick around to read much.

Kubic, you might want to tone down the advertising over there just a little bit - people don't like to be bombarded with adverts, and it takes away from your content. Again, I just stayed long enough to make sure you were actually talking astrology - and you are. But the adverts were too annoying to stay long enough to read the whole page.

Just my opinion.

Thanks, Olivia. We never know what we're getting into. My main problem was with the fact that there was a busy, wild, sometimes arguably borderline crazy ? and so fun ? discussion going on here. I didn't like the fact that someone came along and contributed nothing, but found a popular party here as a chance to recruit others to his own web site. But perhaps I ride a too high horse.

Olivia wrote:It is an actual astrology site, Kirk, I checked - but pop ups do come through on it. So I didn't stick around to read much.

Kubic, you might want to tone down the advertising over there just a little bit - people don't like to be bombarded with adverts, and it takes away from your content. Again, I just stayed long enough to make sure you were actually talking astrology - and you are. But the adverts were too annoying to stay long enough to read the whole page.

Just my opinion.

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Hello, Olivia:
Thanks, for visiting my page and for telling me which are my mistakes.

As a matter of fact, I feel that you are more than a simple astrologer,
you are a real human being.

In your last post you wrote:

" (...) I just stayed long enough to make sure you were actually talking
astrolgy -- and you are. (and then: )

But the adverts were too annoying to stay long enough to read the whole page."
Please, Olivia, can you explein me, more clearly, which is the Problem
here ?...
Because, if you are right, I want to arrange this problem.
Once more, thank you very much for your important opinion.

Friendly: Kubic Aster.

I don't know the word in Spanish, Kubic, it may be the same as English - you have adverts that pop-up - they open new browser windows of their own.

And that's irritating to most people.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming....

Hello, Olivia:

I inform you that my web was checked from Germany and Spain
and no one pop up was found.

Therefore, I don understand what you are telling me.

I think you must be patient, in order to know te System of Multi-keys
I have discovered to retify a natal chart.

The best Navegator to see mi web is ?pera v9.27, or v.9.50 .
Internet Explorer and Mozilla Firefox are not good for this page.

Let me tell you a few things:
1): Iwent into the forum and read all about MJ's birth hour.

2): Every astrologer told a different hour.There were not security in
this principal point.

3): Kirk wrote an excellent post, but he did no rectify the chart.

4): Starkman, a last, told that was no easy to rectify a chart without
an aproximate hour (more or less his txt) I think he was honest
enough to confess his failure. Although he rectified the chart with
an Asc in 10? geminis. (No exactly. )

5): Tom was the only one astrologer that did the rectification of this
chart. And communicate us the basic point: the hour (11.51 pm).

6): When I saw Tom's post, I get very happy because I had rectified
that chart with the same hour, but with a very different technique.
To rectify this chart, I used a System of simbolic directions that
was created by myself five years ago.

7): During five years I investigated with two PC in loneliness till I got
the System. This System of Multi-keys is known as Glory Arcane.
The whole system can be found in two astrological program:
AstroCora v7.20 (known in England, used for Bruno Huber's School)
AstroCora is very used in Spain and Suiza)
Meridiam v.4.0 is the other program that has the module to rectify
natal charts, and is better than the first.

: Mi website is a "popular page", and besides is absolutely free for
everybody. Therefore, I do not need to spent time to reclute visitors.


I wish you all, peace, gaiety and love.

Kubic Aster.

Hi Kubic

5): Tom was the only one astrologer that did the rectification of this
chart. And communicate us the basic point: the hour (11.51 pm).

6): When I saw Tom's post, I get very happy because I had rectified
that chart with the same hour, but with a very different technique.
To rectify this chart, I used a System of simbolic directions that
was created by myself five years ago.

I'm sorry but you misread my posts. I never rectified anything. In fact I think it is fair to say I've never done an intelligent rectification in my life. If I quoted a time it was from someone else's work - not mine. Sorry about that.

Tom

Tom wrote:Hi Kubic

5): Tom was the only one astrologer that did the rectification of this
chart. And communicate us the basic point: the hour (11.51 pm).

6): When I saw Tom's post, I get very happy because I had rectified
that chart with the same hour, but with a very different technique.
To rectify this chart, I used a System of simbolic directions that
was created by myself five years ago.

I'm sorry but you misread my posts. I never rectified anything. In fact I think it is fair to say I've never done an intelligent rectification in my life. If I quoted a time it was from someone else's work - not mine. Sorry about that.

Tom

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Hi, Tom !

Never mind if you, or someone else, got the real time.
Never mind if someone else, got or not, the real time. To me, is the same.
To rectify or not to rectify, that is the question !!!

You wrote: "In fact I think it is fair to say I' have never done an intelligent
rectification in my life."
I ask you: ?what are you waiting to learn how to rectify natal charts ?
To rectify a chart is one part of the astrologer's work.
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Moreover:
To rectify natal charts I use the program AstroCora v.7.20, made in Argentina.This program is known in England through Bruno Huber's School
It has a big mathematical modulus ( my masterpiece ) that helps me to rectify charts.

After having forty five years of experience, I found that is better to work
with simbolic directions. Why ?...Because simbolic directions have smaller
orbs than the primary directions. Thus, they are more accurate !!!

But, besides the technique of Mult-keys, I have discovered other astrological techniques, like for instance, one of them called Tercio de
Sectores, where each house is divided in three parts, and each one with
his own significations.This help a lot the whole process to rectify a chart.
And, of course, this complementary technique is very useful because to rectify is neither easy nor evident.

If you want to learn about my system of Multikeys, or how to create
your own system, then I invite you to see my web.
personal website: www.wonderful495.es.tl

Thanks, Tom.

Hi,
I took the liberty of changing the title of this thread because I feel that a lot of the spammers and crazy people we have had to deal with are coming from googling the name of the thread.

so, let?s see how it goes.

Good idea. I was going to propose closing it earlier, but after all this time of battling to keep it available, I would much rather it just 'went to sleep' rather than had a lock put around it.

Hi Deb, I wonder if the changing of the title of that other thread(Observational astrology) was successfull, did you get less spammers afterwards?

I haven't had a problem since. So far.

Well I have ... but nothing related to that thread