What I know of this is detailed in my article. The report of the letter was made by a contemporary historian. I don't know that the letter still exists (the king's friend told him to throw it on the fire). And the suggestion that the chart was rectified after the death is based on later publications of the chart differing from one that Gauricus published several years before the letter was supposed to have been written. However, we know that Gauricus was doing ongoing rectification, so he may have recified it himself (between the earlier publication and his own death), or some other astrologer might have done it after Henry's death. We don't know.

Thanks for the report of the Solar Return Tom. By the way, have you read the book "Transits and Solar Returns: A New System of Analysis for Two Ancient Methods"
by Ciro Discepolo. I have only just heard about it but it looks good. I'm thinking of getting it.

Deb

Deb wrote:What I know of this is detailed in my article. The report of the letter was made by a contemporary historian. I don't know that the letter still exists (the king's friend told him to throw it on the fire).

Thanks for your kind reply. Obviously I read the article and I liked very much, as Italian readers liked your interview made by Garry Phillipson.
It was published as opening article, I hope you had your copy too, but I believe yes, Dante Valente is from Milan, he is very precise.

About the letter, for what I understand surfing the net some references were included in a prognostication for the Duke of Ferrara in 1552. It is mentioned by his biographer Percopo at the end of 1800. So Percopo read something, if you say the letter to Caterina was destroyed, it should be another advise.

I believed someone had read exactly the text, or maybe Kolev quoted it, I could not understand, but now I understand nobody did, so the content is not clear.

"Transits and Solar Returns: A New System of Analysis for Two Ancient Methods" by Ciro Discepolo. I have only just heard about it but it looks good. I'm thinking of getting it.

I'm not sure it's traditional. Ciro Discepolo is very famous for relocated solar returns in Italy, especially because he sends people in the most strange and impossible to reach places in the world.

Still he has several followers. This is his blog.

http://cirodiscepolo.blogspot.com/

and a chapter of his book

http://www.solarreturns.com/#SolarReturns-thepreface

Enjoy it

margherita

Thanks Margherita. It looks like you might not have received an email I sent to you a couple of weeks ago, so I'll find it out and send it to you via Private Messaging in this forum.

All the best to you
Deb

Thanks for the report of the Solar Return Tom. By the way, have you read the book "Transits and Solar Returns: A New System of Analysis for Two Ancient Methods" by Ciro Discepolo. I have only just heard about it but it looks good. I'm thinking of getting it.

I bought a used copy that was in almost untouched condition and have already sold it. I usually keep astrology books once I've decided to buy them. Not that one. It's loaded with a 'I found the correct way' attitude, which tends to clash with my correct way. One gets the impression that he is to be considered absolutely brilliant in sending people off to the right spot for their solar returns. It was printed on beautiful paper and did smell good, if I remember correctly.

I've just opened my list of private messages and I saw that many wrote me, but this is the very first I see them.

So I'm sorry I did not reply to any. Since now I will check them, I swear.

margherita

Kirk wrote:It was printed on beautiful paper and did smell good, if I remember correctly.

Well, I must admit, it was the cover design that caught my eye. I'll wait and look out for it at an upcoming conference. It is sometimes very handy to be able to open books and have quick glance through, before deciding whether it is likely to get read. I'm not a fan of relocated returns so I'll see if I like the smell of it.

Plus, I also have about a dozen here, that I absolutely had to have, and haven't yet had the time to read. So I'm not short of things to read right now. I'm short of time to read them.

Thanks for the feedback
Deb

PS - Margherita, I'll make sure your account is set to receive notices of your PMs. Thanks for the response

Not that one. It's loaded with a 'I found the correct way' attitude, which tends to clash with my correct way. One gets the impression that he is to be considered absolutely brilliant in sending people off to the right spot for their solar returns.

When I read your description, I remembered a very self-important author, with a very "I am brilliant" attitude, in an vedic magazine. Went looking for it and finally found it, and yes, it is the same author.

What can I say? Too much controversial statements with too little proof, and too much emphasis that his method is the truly only one, without convincing evidence to back them up.

I'm not a fan of relocated returns so I'll see if I like the smell of it.

In principle I have to agree, but I've seen an awful lot of relocated returns that work better than they would have if we used the birthplace. I'll use the birthplace if I can't find the location at the time of the return, though, and I wouldn't send someone anywhere to get the benefits, but that's me.

Tom

I have this book by Ciro Discepolo. The Italian edition is dated 1997 and the French translation, which I have, was printed in 2001.

I have had this book for a number of years and I can't say I have used it much. It seems rather wordy to me, with long developments on the effect of planets, which anybody with experience in astrology knows already.

The interesting part, the only one I used, is at the beginning, a list of dangerous configurations in the SR. With these, the author claims that you can check whether the year will be dangerous or not. I have not found evidence to prove or disprove his rules.

Perhaps the truth is somewhere else?
I found a very interesting opinion of the famous Austrian astrologer Karl Brandler Pracht(1864-1945)who wrote in his book(Astrologische Kollektion zum Selbststudium, band IV, Berlin, 1926,p.75-79):
Here is my translation in English:

"The method of Gaurico.

The following system of zodiacal directions was widely used by medieval astrologers. So the astrologer Luca Gaurico, this favourite of 3 Popes,who had to endure a torture because of his love for the science, calculated with this method of directions Henry II's death (well-known in one tournament) accurately."

Anyone who is interested I can send him via e-mail the method of Gaurico according to Pracht.At the end a one note-in the booklet of Rumen Kolev ? Gauricus & Henry II-Medieval astrological prognosis? is no mention of this method.

Sorry, but I need to do a slight adjustment in the translation of the second sentence:

Thus the astrologer Luca Gaurico, this favourite of 3 Popes,who had to endure a torture because of his love for the science, should have with this method of directions Henry II's death (well-known in one tournament) accurately calculated.