Deb wrote:There?s actually only one approach at use here, but it?s being used in a different way. ....But if the querent does not want something to happen, or is trying to evade an inevitable loss (say the loss of a job ? or having to repay a debt), then being angular would give the querent?s significator more influence to resist the situation

The traditional passage that refers to the timing being quicker when the querent?s significator is cadent, concerns the need to pay money to someone ? so the weakness of the querent?s position means that the money has to be repaid more quickly.

johannes susato wrote:Thanks for your link, Aglaya

Deb wrote:Sorry Johannes but I don?t think that is too helpful because it perpetuates the confusion.

Shortest: cardinal sign - cadent house
? take the significator applying to perfection, i.e. its sign and house position; if sign and house agree with the table above they give the shortest, midium or longest time unit accordingly.

This is what I disagree with.

Lee Lehman: The fact of earliness or lateness of the Ascendant is actually part of the answer. The "too early" Ascendant implies that there are still unforseen events or people that may still impinge on the outcome: the resolution to the question, the result, is not yet fixed.
The usual reading that I give when an Ascendant is 1 or 2 degree is that the delineation only represents a trend, but one that can be changed easily by subsequent events. In the case of 0 degrees rising, while I may delineate a trend, there is simply too much Free Will in the system: the odds are not good enough to pick a winner. In fact the only thing you can safely say is that circumstances will change - and probably quite quickly.

Practice

I will share an example from my personal experience. Recently I received a horary question and the chart had early ASC rising. I went on to judge the chart but I told the querent that "First thing I noticed in the chart was the so called early Ascendant, an element possibly indicating in this case that the question was asked in a hurry or is undeveloped in some way. I hardly see how this could be possible since [...] "

After some talk, I found out that the person had already asked another horary astrologer the same question only a few days earlier, but she didn't receive the result yet at that time.

I answered: "So this is what the earlier ASC means in this case! Traditional sources tell that the early ASC indicates the chart not to be trusted as the querent has been "tampering with" the question, by asking other astrologers, and has "come to try" the astrologer. Not that I would believe that, I don't take those ideas for granted, but this is a matter I should know more about and we should address. I would like to know if the previous horary question was targeted at the same question, please offer more details on that.
Horary is said to work best for the first time a question is asked, the more questions are asked on the same subject, the more dilluted and less targeted the chart indications. [...]

This is how I view this: horary works by accumulation of some form of energy which is discharged during the asking the question process. The second time you asked, the early ASC indicates that the question charging process was incomplete, hence the secondary horary chart is of secondary importance, due to your asking the same question previously.

What I'm trying to say is that we should refer to the first chart for most accurate results."

Olivia wrote:I'm pretty sure Lee wouldn't use horary to determine a presidential election - statistics, maybe, but not horary.

Yes, I've studied with her. And when it comes to horary she knows her stuff.