I have been thinking about the common attribution of software and computers to the 3rd house (as often is suggested by authors). For a while now I have been consistently drawn to placing these in the 6th house. My reasons are that software and computers, to me resonate, more with staff, appliances, labour: these are devices that on a day to day basis tend to work like slaves or cattle would. Especially if you work on a computer a lot as many do. Computers and software do the drudge work for us don't they?

Today i had practical outcome in chart that supported this sense - I lost an account and couldn't find it anywhere - I would have to phone overseas to get the account because without the correct account number and details i needed desperately would be lost. It got me flustered and cast a chart and the Part of Fortune fell in the sixth. Thinking about this attribution, I gave up looking everywhere, or thinking about contacting someone by phone and instead I looked for a hint or clue on my computer as to where I might have taken the document - sure enough there was a bit of information tucked away somewhere that enabled me to log in on the internet and get the information back that way instead of finding the actual document.

It could have been dumb luck - but could it be that there is something to my attribution of software and computers to the 6th?

Aldebaran wrote:I have been thinking about the common attribution of software and computers to the 3rd house

Not much can be found in traditional literature, aye?!

Aldebaran wrote:but could it be that there is something to my attribution of software and computers to the 6th?

I don't think i'd assign informatics and software in general to the 6th

Computers and software do the drudge work for us don't they?

...but i do like your logic. They are our servants, aren't they!? But, still, this is not the first time in history that something like that happens- it's only another example of the changes introduced into our society since the beginning of the industrialisation. Factories, combine harvesters, washing machines...they all do what used to be man's job. Engines have replaced horse and human power, precise machines have replaced our fingers... and nowadays we take it for granted- if we're thirsty, we pour a glass with water-we don't have to pull a bucket up from a well; the pumps and plumbing do all the job and all the thinking for us.

So, yes- we have invented many "6th house" devices in the past century and enjoy the benefits of the modern age all the time- we've got many electric, solar etc. servants if not slaves. Similarly- Mercury has become a very "prominent" planet- so many things, professions and activities are Mercurian nowadays and I agree that, on ocassions, it is hard to trace the "origin" and the real nature of some things and activities. I often find myself scratching my head over prominent Mercury in a chart especially when it is descriptive of someone's job- A Mercurian profession? They all seem to fit! ))

But still- I'd use Mercury, the 3rd and Gemini in particular or at least start from there when it comes to computers. Of course- informatics and computers have become (or have CREATED) almost a parallel universe and there is a huge difference between professions such as "a computer mechanic" and a "software engineer". People communicate via emails, people mend broken machines (computers), work as graphic designers, sell goods online....they're programmers, advisers, hackers..... computers (and programs) calculate, retouch photos, play music, send letters, store our data, etc. You will probably come across the idea that, when it comes to the Internet in particular (but, in my opinion- computers in general),- it's actually the 3rd/9th axes that should be examined; the reason- again based in the "authentic" meanings of these houses- while the 3rd is the house of communications, expressing ourselves,offering and accepting informations; the 9th corresponds with literature in terms of "stored knowledge", published materials etc. - a common reason for starting our Internet browsers;looking for published informations, expanding knowledge... Finding the answers.

But, regardless of the nature of our activities- most of them still fit into the description of the 3rd:
-fine/precise mechanics (mercury)
-calculations, studying, informations, mail, instant messaging, media, newspapers...the 3rd
and so on!


Of, course, i do admit that I often check the influence of Aquarius at least when it comes to Natal charts of people who's jobs and professions have got a lot to do with the "modern age" activities ; computers and informatics surely do belong there but still- I often find a strong connection between their 10th , Aquarius and their 3rd (Gemini or Mercury)- and would never exclude the latter from the overall picture.

My reasons are that software and computers, to me resonate, more with staff, appliances, labour: these are devices that on a day to day basis tend to work like slaves or cattle would.

Yes, well- aren't we all in a the pretty much same position!? Actors work as slaves, teachers have become their pupils' slaves, people get fired when they decide to have children...it's a huge problem and present in most professions today. But, the shape of the 10th house and its ruler should tell whether someone will actually be turned into a slave and that is what should, IMHO, be examined in the first place. The shape of the 10th ruler and a potential infuelce of the 6th will have a lot to say about the quality of someone's work as well as of his working environment and the nature of the job in particular. I've met people who have invented one "silly" software (think Youtube) and become rich. Others will spend their lives working for someone else and creating and improving softwares for an average salary.

The connection between the question you're mentioning and computers is basically indirect; if I understood everything well- it was basically a missing object (document) chart and still, involved many Mercurian activities and objects (documents, phoning, internet, account number etc.). It would be interesting to see what the 6th was actually suggesting in that chart!

Awesome post aglaya - much food for thought.

I wanted to post the chart but for the life of me i cant get Janus to export the image...

. . . and what about exporting the data 'by hand' first?

Was the dispositor of POF in 3rd ?


PD

There we go!

Looking at it now - the moon in aquarius, angular also indicates a computer nearby and quickly found. She later will trine the PoF in the sixth.

Mars disposes the PoF...

I love missing objects charts!

The Mars in this chart is the dispositor of POF but it is also your ruler.
You're Mars and the missing object is ruled by Jupiter (2nd), by Moon (co-significator of the question as well as the ruler of anything lost) an, considering the nature of the object (document)- its natural ruler is Mercury.

The ruler of the 2nd is retrograde- the possesions going back to the Querent and receiving the application of the Moon - a strong testimony of recovery!

The Moon and the ruler od the 2nd but also a general benefic, placed inside the 4th- even more signs of recovery. The Moon is conjunct a fortunate planet (L2) and they're both angular.
Considering their placement (angular) and the swiftness of the Moon- the object could be found shortly after the question.

Where is it? Both the Moon and the ruler of the 2nd inside the 4th could be suggesting that the document is near its owner and inside the home. The 4th cusp being in Aquarius and with two significant planets inside it - the document could be on an elevated place (air sign), near the door or a window or even close to another room/near the wall (the significators are cuspal). Considering the influence of Aquarius and the nature of the object- i would probably suggest that it could be somewhere near the computer especially since angular house often suggests that the object is "where it should be" or "where it is commonly kept"!. It might also be near a pale blue (or navy blue- the Neptune is close), lilac, gray-ish or silver object (the Moon and Aquarius).
And while the the L2/Moon conjunction could be suggesting that the object is near water or a bathroom- seeing L2 and the naturla significator of documents (Mercury) in Air signs- i'm still pretty keen to believe that it is on a dry and higher place (Libra and Aquarius) especially since the 4th cusp can often describe the type of surface that the object is currently placed on. But, with the dispositor of POF inside Cancer- you might want to check such places as well.


Certainly inside the house, in a place frequented by people, maybe in a room where older people or parents spend much time and, again, considering the conjunction with the Moon- near mirrors, "women's things" etc. (the dispositor of the POF is also in Cancer). North or West by North.The Moon so close to the IC- North again, Mercury in Libra- West again. )))

BTW- have you already found it?

Ohg, yes,and i forgot to add that, though swifter, Mercury (the natural siginificator of documents) is currently slow and will form a square with the Querent's ruler (it's an applying, not a separating aspect) though, they're, in my opinion partile even now regardless of the fact they're not at the same Zodiacal degree.

I think the question really was "where is my password and account number?" I couldn't care less about the piece of paper - that's what i really wanted - the information.

aglaya wrote:Considering the influence of Aquarius and the nature of the object- i would probably suggest that it could be somewhere near the computer especially since angular house often suggests that the object is "where it should be" or "where it is commonly kept"!. It might also be near a pale blue (or navy blue- the Neptune is close), lilac, gray-ish or silver object (the Moon and Aquarius).

My mac is silver! And the paper was supposed to be on my mac or next to it on the desk... or that could indicate the info is on my mac?

aglaya wrote:BTW- have you already found it?

I have not found the account that has code noted on it - but i did get some details off my computer which allowed me to retrieve the information online, which is what I really needed. Now that i have the code and password the blasted piece of paper can go in the trash (ugh hate paperwork).

aglaya wrote:Ohg, yes,and i forgot to add that, though swifter, Mercury (the natural siginificator of documents) is currently slow and will form a square with the Querent's ruler (it's an applying, not a separating aspect) though, they're, in my opinion partile even now regardless of the fact they're not at the same Zodiacal degree.

Perhaps this could indicate me not finding the actual piece of paper itself?

Aldebaran wrote:I think the question really was "where is my password and account number?" I couldn't care less about the piece of paper - that's what i really wanted - the information.

Well, obviously- you were looking for a piece of paper with that information written/printed on it. BUT- this question is a bit "odd" as, yes- you were actually looking for an information; an information that is obviously available from another place - instead of looking for the paper, you could have also phoned the company or asked them to re-send the data via e-mail etc. And so, basically, you were looking for a missing data but, you were also familiar with other ways of getting it (other than looking for that piece of paper) and, considering the number of your options- you didn't really need the chart, IMHO. You don't need it to tell you- "you have thrown it into garbage by mistake but you can always ask the company to send you another pass", right?!! That would be the most practical solution and, generally- casting a chart when the information from the paper can be found in so many other ways/places, looks like losing time to me! But, if you are interested in finding a sheet or two of papers with the important data printed on them- then, it is an object and we need to locate it- find its physical location. If the question was- "how do i start my computer (now that i can't find the paper)?"- my (non-astrological) answer would probably be- well, don't you think you should ask them to send you another password?

The bottom line is that- such Horary questions, IMO, should be asked when they can really help the Querent to locate the object. Being a very practical peron, I must say that- if i'd know that the data (rather than the paper) can be easily recovered and that I should only send an e-mail or phone the company; I would certainly stop searching for the paper - the second option spares time!

But , for what is worth- the influence of cadent houses, in timing questions, can sometime indicate that the object will be recovered (or that a goal will be achieve) but only after the Querent has already given up on it (when it is too late etc.). I've seen it not so long ago in a chart cast upon a question concerning a lost passport! I needed my passport, couldn't find it, used the chart to tell me where I should look for it but with no success. Then I re-examined it and realised that the timing did not look promising and that the chart was maybe saying that- the passport will eventually be recovered but (maybe) only when it become useless. It was also suggesting that my father might know where it was but, at the time, he was as clueless as I was. And so it was- my father found it in one of his suitcases 2 months later- he put it there by mistake (he thought it was his old passport that he often carries with himslef though it has expired) but, in the mean time- I had to apply for a new passport as I needed it that very month. So, the object was recovered in the end- but only after I had to get myself a brand new document.
The POF is cadent in this chart, on a late degree- maybe it is saying something about the situation- you have gotten the data without the paper.

Of course, the chart is here and you just might try to read it and see what it says. The information has obviously already been recovered- at this point, everything will pretty pretty much depend upon your main concern- the data or the papers.


Mercury- natural significator of documents is in Air sign and so is the 4th cusp (descriptive of the place/surface)- the object could, again, be on elevated place, near the wall (cuspal placement). Mercury's dispositor is a benefic- placed on MC. Moon is aplying to a benefic, it is inside the 4th, Jupiter (another) benefic is also there...

ALdebaran wrote: My mac is silver! And the paper was supposed to be on my mac or next to it on the desk... or that could indicate the info is on my mac??

BY "on my Mac" do you mean on your HD? I doubt a HD should be considered a surface but, one never knows

Perhaps this could indicate me not finding the actual piece of paper itself?

Retrograde motion often indicate that the object will be "returned"- Mercury is slow, currently, almost waiting for your ruler to cathc up with it. I wouldn't say this is a prohibition, no!

But, like I said- everything will highly depend upon the real nature of your question. If it were a "how to get the data" question- i believe you have found the answer to that question even without the chart!

aglaya wrote: Of course, the chart is here and you just might try to read it and see what it says. The information has obviously already been recovered- at this point, everything will pretty pretty much depend upon your main concern- the data or the papers.

The data - I needed a code. The paper is just an old statement.

aglaya wrote: BY "on my Mac" do you mean on your HD? I doubt a HD should be considered a surface but, one never knows

Both. The piece of paper was on top of the machine itself, last time I looked. (a small silver mac-mini) But to, me it also indicates where to find the information I needed.

aglaya wrote: But, like I said- everything will highly depend upon the real nature of your question. If it were a "how to get the data" question- i believe you have found the answer to that question even without the chart!

Well, the chart helped me certainly (I found what I was looking for!). I would never have thought to look for the information on my computer to do with that account.

Maybe it was a fluke because I saw the part of fortune in the 6th (which I mistakenly thought linked to computers, as per my drudge-work association) with the moon applying to it - but i found what i needed.