With football I generally see VOC Moon as the possibility of a draw, although it's very much dependent on other factors. Dead heats in horse races are very rare.

I think today it was the Moon being in such late degrees rather than it simply being VOC that caused problems for the favourites. When the Moon or any planet signifying a football team is on 29?, it often indicates the team is 'going nowhere', so it loses. I guess that applies to horses too.

It was interesting to note that NN conj Asc didn't work either and I suspect that was because it was separating, even though it was partile.

Goca wrote:Results of this race
1st (5) Bea Menace 8/1
2nd (1) Roar of Applause 11/8 Fav

Neighter VOC "method" nor JAddey's method (about 1st aspect with Su) did not work!

hmm. Isn't sun in fall? A menace? ie malefic? I wouldn't have seen it before hand tho.

I'm wondering whether the favourites will win when Moon is trine NN in this afternoon's later races. Mercury is also involved and in the 4.40 race at Nottingham, so is POF. We shall see...

After 10 races, no favourites have won! Moon is now partile trine NN, so perhaps they will start winning a few from now on

Hi Ficina,

you mentioned earlier that you use angular planets and Moon aspects to predict horse races. May I have a few questions about this? I've been examining these races for a few weeks, I'm quite into it at the moment.

Angular planets, means planets conjunct the angles, right? Or do other aspects count (not only conjunction), e.g. ASC-square-Saturn, is this pointing to Saturn as significator? And what orb do you prefer?

About Moon aspects, the only question is - again - about the orb, how wide can it be?

And the last... There's the Addey (?) method, the one with Campanus houses and moving 5th cusp. What are your experiences with this? Sometimes it seems to be working for me, but only with color associations - name associations are a failure (for me).

And the very last... It's quite theoretical. Do you think that all these methods can work together? I mean, what if the closest aspect counts. It can be conjunction with an angle, or an aspect with Moon or with the 5th cusp.

Hi Taurean,

Angular planets, means planets conjunct the angles, right? Or do other aspects count (not only conjunction), e.g. ASC-square-Saturn, is this pointing to Saturn as significator?

I've found that aspects to the MC work best, preferably conjunctions and trines. This makes sense if you see the MC as signifying the winning post. I also note conjunctions to angles, particularly the Moon. Other planets seem to be less reliable. I've never tested aspects to Asc but do try it out and see if it works. Every theory is worth testing.

Re orbs, I prefer partile or applying up to about 3? max. Since races often start late, it's difficult to be specific about this. Also for shorter distance races (on the flat), I think the orbs need to be tighter than for longer distances (over the jumps).

I tried out the Addey method when I first heard about it (mid 90s) but I never had much success with it. However, I wasn't using colours, so if you find that works for you then I'd say, stick with it!

Do you think that all these methods can work together? I mean, what if the closest aspect counts. It can be conjunction with an angle, or an aspect with Moon or with the 5th cusp.

That sounds feasible to me. As I said, every theory is worth testing out. It's only by trial and error that we can find out what works and what doesn't. I don't think we'll ever find the perfect method that works all the time. The best we can hope for is a method (or combination of methods) that works well most of the time.

Thx for the answers!!!

Ficina wrote:I've found that aspects to the MC work best, preferably conjunctions and trines. This makes sense if you see the MC as signifying the winning post.

Absolutely! I'm starting to see the importance of MC in football too. I mean, I've always thought it was important, but in comparison with the ASC, MC seems to be more important, and this was new for me.

Ficina wrote:I also note conjunctions to angles, particularly the Moon. Other planets seem to be less reliable.

OK, let's say Moon is conjunct with MC or ASC. Is the Moon a significator in this case? I mean, will you look for a name or color associated with the Moon (e.g. a horse named Luna with a jockey wearing silvery gray clothes on it )? Or, does this mean something (e.g. fave wins), but the winning horse is not necessarily associated with the Moon?

Ficina wrote:I tried out the Addey method when I first heard about it (mid 90s) but I never had much success with it. However, I wasn't using colours, so if you find that works for you then I'd say, stick with it!

Practically the same here, as Addey's method didn't work for me when I used name associations. I had a few failures, like when I was sure the significator was the Moon, and there was a horse named "Cry for the Moon", and she finished 3. (from 5). Predicting using colors is not easy either, as certain colors are associated with more the one planets (or planets are associated with more than one color). But at least I can omit a few horses, the colors of which are not appropriate for the chosen planet by any means.

Ficina wrote:I don't think we'll ever find the perfect method that works all the time. The best we can hope for is a method (or combination of methods) that works well most of the time.

Of course, that's right.

OK, let's say Moon is conjunct with MC or ASC. Is the Moon a significator in this case? I mean, will you look for a name or color associated with the Moon (e.g. a horse named Luna with a jockey wearing silvery gray clothes on it Smile )? Or, does this mean something (e.g. fave wins), but the winning horse is not necessarily associated with the Moon?

I see the Moon as signifying the favourite because it is the public's choice. So most of the time when the Moon is conjunct an angle (or trine MC), the favourite wins. Not every time unfortunately! It doesn't seem to make any difference whether the name fits or not but obviously I feel more confident when it does fit.

One problem with this is when there's more than one favourite in a race. That's when the names become important. Recently there was a race with three co-faves. Moon in Aries was trine MC. Only one name fitted and that was Amazing Valour - which won

Well, I continued my experiments, and I'd like to share my findings.

Addey's method is not working for me - it's important that I use (or I'm trying to use...) color associations. It's tricky!

It may seem for a while that the method is working, because there are no clear one-to-one planet-color associations. I mean e.g. Jupiter - according to a few web-sites - is good for blue, purple, yellow, and even red. It means, when you find that the significator is Jupiter, these colors are all "OK". Not to mention that there are lots of horses (in the different races) connected with different shades of blue. It also means that this isn't a very precise method, in many cases it's easier to predict which horses won't win the race. Well, I say the this not-so-precise method should work almost every time, to stick with the example, the winning horse should "contain" blue or purple or yellow or red, but no! It's not working correctly, I analyzed let's say 20 races and in at least 3 cases this method failed. (Maybe the problem is with my "color table", but I read that there is no agreement about planet-color associations.)

Still Addey's method, there would be a nice trick - if it worked! Guessing that the winner will be male or female. (E.g. Moon in Cancer -> filly or mare wins.) But again, it's not always working, more or less yes, but it's not enough.

It may change, but at the moment I think - if horse races can be predicted at all! - that the key is the MC. Thx Ficina for drawing my attention to this, as the winning post!

I will continue, but this post is quite long already.

Ficina wrote:So most of the time when the Moon is conjunct an angle (or trine MC), the favourite wins. Not every time unfortunately!

I found this too, and have a very surprising example from today. The race is Doncaster 17:10, but according to attheraces.com, it began at 17:15:59. If you cast the chart, you see that the Moon is conjunct the MC, applying 0?09. And Steel Stockholder has won with the odds of 16/1, see here!

The other interesting race was Doncaster 16:05 which exactly began at 16:06:08. The winning horse, Crocus rose, has the same colors as the fave Deauville flyer, who finished 3rd. Let's say you were able to find out that Jupiter is the significator (let's say because the MC is in Sagittarius OK I know it can't be that easy ), and the purple-yellow colors of these horses are OK, but, the question is, how on earth can you predict that it won't be the fave who wins, with absolutely appropriate colors, but it will be the one with appropriate colors and 15/2 who wins!?

Race: Galway 25 oct 2009 16:35
There are 13 runners. Only one is mare!
First aspected planet is Ve!
(But there is antiscion of Ju before.)
What will be more important?
If that would be Ve this race will be nice test to see if only one mare would win according to male planet. Interesting, colors fits. So, I go for Midnight Socialite.

http://www.attheraces.com/card.aspx?rac ... =racecards

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Taurean. I can understand your frustrations. In fact I've given the racing a miss for the past few days. My only suggestion is that perhaps it might be worth your while to look at names in addition to colours and other considerations.

Goca, it's interesting to see that a lady jockey is riding Midnight Socialite. There is also another lady jockey and two lady trainers, but I think Socialite fits quite well for Venus in Libra.