The first timing technique dealt with the relevant current state of a person?s "being?, which is directly concerned with his life and body. It was a method where the profected ascendant is progressed through the 30 degrees of its profection in the nativity.

Judgment was made concerning the state of the subjects being according to the planet testifying and the term lord. This was called the Major ?esse? of the native.

cor scorpii wrote:Steven wrote:

The first timing technique dealt with the relevant current state of a person?s "being?, which is directly concerned with his life and body. It was a method where the profected ascendant is progressed through the 30 degrees of its profection in the nativity.

Judgment was made concerning the state of the subjects being according to the planet testifying and the term lord. This was called the Major ?esse? of the native.

Can this technique also be applied for discovering financial prospects of any given year; I mean, can we analize 2nd(any!) profected house in the same way or is it something entirely different?

Thanks in advance

Deb wrote:For the sake of keeping everyone's mind open, I'll just say that this was not connected to the Word Trade Centre disaster, or any other famous or well known event. I don't want to dwell upon the details of the accident because it might lead people down the wrong alley, but it was just a private accident - it didn't make the news.

Deb wrote:The birth chart shown below is for a man who went missing following an accident. There is no longer any real doubt about the fact that he died when he went missing, but his body is not recoverable. I was given his birth data from a close relative, in case it helped with the horary I was asked to do at the time. The case did not receive media attention, and it won?t be found on the internet.
The purpose of this challenge is to see how feasible it is for an astrologer to be expected to identify the time of death, or a potentially mortal accident, from the birth data alone. I am therefore not going to post any details about the accident itself, or the location in which it occurred, at this stage, because that would be hindsight information. I want to give members the opportunity to see how much they can discover from the birth chart alone.
I invite you to use your favourite predictive technique, or a combination of several - profections, directions, progressions, lunations, transits, solar returns, or whatever - to obtain your judgement on the period of greatest potential danger. He was born in 1965 and this obviously occured between adulthood and now. I think it will be interesting, for example, to consider the identification of the hyleg and whether that offers reliable information (I haven't yet checked this myself).
I was told that the data was reliable so I had no reason to consider rectification, and didn?t ask for details of other life-events for the purpose of rectification (my main focus was the horary chart and the birth data was only used as a background check). What I noticed were some strong correlations between the two charts, which is why I believe a good astrologer would probably have been able to identify this period of danger. But of course, I saw it all in hindsight, so maybe this will not be easy at all.
Hopefully this will prove to be an interesting and informative experiment. Please bear in mind that this concerns a tragic event and that when we refer to these mystery charts as ?challenges?, the idea is that we challenge ourselves, and not each other. If you submit a time, please be prepared to explain your reasoning, but just give an idea of the techniques used without going into too much minor detail ? because if your judgement is on target I?ll ask you to do that later.
I am going to let this challenge run until the end of August. At that stage, if no-one is close to the time of the event, I will reveal some more information to narrow the time span. If one or two people, or more, are close, then I?ll ask only those members to participate further in the thread (with the hope that many more will participate in private, at home). My ideal situation is that this chart leads to someone being asked to write up their method on how they managed to successfully identify a time of such danger from the birth chart alone.
If you have any questions please ask, although I can?t think of anything more to add at this stage.

The man was described as 6?2? tall, fair haired with a mole on his left cheek, robust (18 stone in weight), pleasant natured, and out-going with a good sense of humour. Use any zodiac, house system or personal approach you feel is most reliable.