My "finding" of death due to sudden sickness is actually close to Janeg indications of death due to accident: I believe that the subject accidentally fell into the James River and (likely) drowned, but in my analysis the proximate cause of the fatal accident is indicated as sudden (acute) sickness (likely toxemic in nature or related)

+I shall soon post my little analysis (I'll present it in the same way I presented my analysis of the Boulin death controversy), but I want to point out that I used Whole Sign Houses in my method; therefore with the Part of Suicide I used the sensitive degree of the sign of the house (which is the same degree as the Asc), and did the same with the Part of Death (in Whole Sign Houses all "cusps" = 0:0 degrees; we use "sensitive points" for each sign as the "cusp" equivalent, all of these being based upon the Asc degree) therefore my sign positions for these important Parts are different than those studied in the earlier postings of this thread (excellent postings by the way!) relating to consideration of these Parts.

+I used the Part of Death (rather than the Asc or Pars Hyleg-explanation as to why to follow in my later posting) as Significator; I also compared the Parts of Accident, Murder, Suicide and (Acute) Disease ("sudden sickness" in my context of this chart), and their respective "Indicators" (planetary lords of the signs in which each Part is posited) In my following posting I shall give the exact calculations I used to determine these Parts, but for now I'll just list the Parts as I calculated them:
P. Death: 7Capricorn5 (ind. = Saturn)
P. Accident: 12Leo50 (ind. = Sun)
P. Murder: 24Virgo17 (ind. = Mercury)
P. Suicide: 17Pisces11 (ind. = Jupiter)
P. "Sudden Sickness" (Asc. + Mars - Mercury): 8Aries52 (ind. = Mars)

+In calculating the "dignities" (degree of significance or "power) among the 4 Parts used (Accident, Murder, Suicide, "Sudden Sickness) for comparative relevance in the chart (the actual subject of the chart being what circumtances influenced the death of the body found) I applied the old Turkish "Arabic Parts Dignity Table" of Calid Bey:

...by this table each Part is given a weighted score according to the following criteria; that Part having the highest score ("dignity") is regarded as the dominating Part and, together with its Indicator, is accorded most relevance and importance (among the Parts) in that chart:

Criteria

+commanding sign +1
..obeying sign 0

+rising +1
..setting 0

+above the earth +1
..below the earth 0

+in the sign of the MC +2
..nearest the MC (if none in the sign of MC) +1

+in male sign +1
..in female sign 0

+in male half of sign +1
..in female half of sign 0

+in angular house +2
..in succedent house +1
..in cadent house 0

+in fixed sign +2
..in cardinal sign +1
..in mutable sign 0

+in same sign as Sun's position +2
..in same sign as Moon's position +1
..(Cazimi +3)

I applied the above table in coming to a determination of the most dignified Part.

Will be posting the results of my analysis soon.

All,

This is just a personal choice, but I'm not sure I'd use what we call common sense in a chart such as this. In a chart that we do for a living client, a chart about their own life, I do think that their own common sense and life experience is not only acceptable, but is needed. For example, if the chart points to the influence of some person who the chart describes as being of the nature of Venus who is possibly related to their work, I'd want the client to figure out exactly who is represented by that planet.

But in a chart like this, I'd prefer to rest on the chart itself, and not what we call common sense. For one thing, we only have imperfect information given to us by the media. They said the poor man's body seemed to have only been in the river for two days. But a month from now an autopsy may come out that says differently. Statements made to the media by relatives can be clouded with emotion and a desire to protect the memory of the deceased.

My guess is that police work is done like this - to look to the evidence, and not to our assumptions.

Dr Farr wrote: I applied the old Turkish "Arabic Parts Dignity Table" of Calid Bey:

...by this table each Part is given a weighted score according to the following criteria; that Part having the highest score ("dignity") is regarded as the dominating Part and, together with its Indicator, is accorded most relevance and importance (among the Parts) in that chart:

This is the first I've heard of weighting Parts. Seems like a lot of extra work, do you do this all the time?

Mark F wrote: My guess is that police work is done like this - to look to the evidence, and not to our assumptions.

Yes, but being human, I think assumptions always creep in. Agree with you though, they are much less likely to mislead if we're aware of our capacity to indulge in them and actively try to weed them out

Yes-whenever I am applying several different Parts in analyzing a chart, and even in determining the relative influences of such frequently used Parts as the Pars Hyleg, Pars Fortuna and Pars Spiritus in a chart, I have found that determining their relative dignities helps me a great deal in directing my attention toward that Part which has the "strongest" (most relevant) influence. Weighting the Parts is especially of value in horary and katarchic (event) work, and in progressions (not of such great value in basic natal work)
+Actually it does not take much time at all to weight the Parts if you are working with only 2, 3 or 4 of them.
(PS: please be aware that I am not trying to convince anyone to use this method; I am simply explaining how I proceed using this apparently long forgotten technique)

(Note to all: I had planned to post my elaborated analysis re: the subject of this thread today-however, I shall be delayed in making this posting for a couple more days-sorry!)

After signing in I spent an hour and a half posting part of my analysis of the astrological testimonies involved in the subject matter of this thread; when hitting "preview", the "sign in" came on (I had already signed in previously); then I signed in again and-my posting was gone, nowhere to be found. What happened to it?

This could happen with any web-based account, because internet connections can drop and become unreliable. The answer is to compose long posts in a word document and then copy the text when you want to post here. Then the worst that can happen is that you lose a few seconds worth of work.

Deb's right Dr Farr, I've had the same happen on numerous forums. Often, because of the way the browser caches things, you can use browser back button to get back to the page with your text but the method Deb suggested is the safest.

Thanks to both of you for the information about how to more "safely" make extended postings!

+Relative to the William Hurley case (the "Lost Man in Boston") I've decided to wait the next couple of weeks until the results of the autopsy are in: if they support my astrological finding (death due to sudden sickness involving an internal toxemic reaction) then I'll post in detail my analysis showing how I was led to this conclusion.

I have been checking the internet about every other day for any report on the autopsy regarding Mr. Hurley's cause of death. I have not found any reports-if anyone else has news of the autopsy results please post them here.

Hi to all,

As I study suicide in Natal Charts, here in Horary Chart is clear:

the young man is Mercury and ruler of 8th house (house of death) is Saturn. Both planets are in conjunction: means suicide. Suicide wouldn't be if there is some other planet. Saturn means death (traditional Astrology) what means it is not the best planet in conjuction with other planets.

He was found in the river: Mercury and Saturn, both have opposition with Uranus in Pisces (water).

H.

Latest on the William Hurley case: his family was supposed to have a meeting on January 28, 2010, with local investigators relative to the results of toxicological tests. Hope we get details regarding any findings relating to the cause of his death.