Hi Kurgal,

I?ve only had time for a quick look at the chart and the comments in this thread I?m afraid, but I think that what you?ve said about the chart in hindsight shows that you are using sound logic. I?ve written some of my impressions below. Obviously I don?t have the insight into the situation or position of central focus that you have but hopefully some of it will strike you as significant or help clear up some of the confusion.

According to the chart I drew for this, Mercury is only 2 minutes of arc separated from its aspect of Jupiter. Of separation Lilly writes: ?and as the significators do more separate, so will the matter and the affection of the parties more alienate and vary? (CA., p.110), so it is usual with very tight orbs of separation to find everything looking very promising to begin with, but as time passes the relationship becomes distant and unproductive. One interesting point here is that Lilly stated that separation begins when the two planets are ?but six minutes distance from each other? ? a comment which has caused great debate and diversity of opinion. Lilly?s approach may have been to not recognise this aspect as separating but still in a state of perfect alignment. Personally, I regard planets as separating and descriptive of that comment of increasing alienation if they are even 1 minute of arc apart, but I have never had charts that have rested on this principle that have proved otherwise.

With regard to the Moon and its VOC status, there are currently different views on how that is best defined, but most wouldn?t allow the trine to the NN to break its VOC status. The reason is because the Moon is considered to bring forth the virtue of its previous aspect into its next planetary contact. When it is void (or empty) in its course, the principle is that there is no planet for the Moon to commit its virtue to, so the action involved in the event loses its drift and the energy dissipates. The definition of ?void? involves the lack of aspect from the Moon to another planet, so it wouldn?t be affected by the Moon?s application to the nodes, Fortuna, fixed stars, angles, house cusps, midpoints or antiscion degrees. These add description, but they can?t take the Moon?s energy and use it directly.

Many astrologers see the Moon?s movement over the boundary of its current sign as the limit for defining its relevancy to the chart, and following that view this Moon would be considered VOC. However, it seems that Lilly and many other traditional authors allowed the Moon?s next aspect over a sign-boundary if the application was already in orb, in which case we would want to consider the relevancy of the Moon?s application by square to Mars on the MC. Mars on the MC calls for attention anyway, since it generally brings an influence of conflict and trouble. It is also worth considering that Mars rules the 3rd house which has the North Node tenanting its cusp. This is where the Moon?s application to the NN brings another point of emphasis to the 3rd house signification of this chart ? but because the Moon is applying to the square of the 3rd house ruler, and that ruler is Mars, a malefic planet which is blighting the midheaven, this seems to be pointing to trouble or disagreement that can arise out of matters that fall under the attribution of the 3rd house. In a legal chart this might mean deeds or written contracts.

Although the question was ?will I get a case??, the chart will be descriptive of what happens regarding the issue asked about, and from what I?ve seen, and considering that Jupiter taken as the querent is weak in the 8th house of loss, and Mercury taken as the defendant is essentially debilitated by being in its sign of detriment, it may be that this case is weak and fraught with difficulties and the chart can be put to good use by highlighting areas of concern.

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Deb

According to the chart I drew for this, Mercury is only 2 minutes of arc separated from its aspect of Jupiter. Of separation Lilly writes: ?and as the significators do more separate, so will the matter and the affection of the parties more alienate and vary? (CA., p.110), so it is usual with very tight orbs of separation to find everything looking very promising to begin with, but as time passes the relationship becomes distant and unproductive. One interesting point here is that Lilly stated that separation begins when the two planets are ?but six minutes distance from each other? ? a comment which has caused great debate and diversity of opinion. Lilly?s approach may have been to not recognise this aspect as separating but still in a state of perfect alignment. Personally, I regard planets as separating and descriptive of that comment of increasing alienation if they are even 1 minute of arc apart, but I have never had charts that have rested on this principle that have proved otherwise.

Deb: thanks, that was precisely the issue I had to grapple with when I drew the chart: should I treat the Mercury/Jupiter aspect as exact or separating? But of course I did not have any knowledge or authority to fall back on at the time.

The information you provide on VOC Moon is also very helpful.

It is also worth considering that Mars rules the 3rd house which has the North Node tenanting its cusp. This is where the Moon?s application to the NN brings another point of emphasis to the 3rd house signification of this chart ? but because the Moon is applying to the square of the 3rd house ruler, and that ruler is Mars, a malefic planet which is blighting the midheaven, this seems to be pointing to trouble or disagreement that can arise out of matters that fall under the attribution of the 3rd house. In a legal chart this might mean deeds or written contracts.

There are already two third house issues I can think of:

1. This case involves a charge of drink-driving ("driving" I think would be a 3rd House matter)

2. And more importantly, he has had difficulty in communicating with the defendant! Ever since the last court date he has tried calling her to no avail. He thinks he may have been given a wrong phone number or recorded the number incorrectly. So he is totally dependent now on her calling him; and she needs to do so rather soon.!! In fact, it may be, that she is losing interest in defending the charge - despite great interest in doing so initially (refer your comments re. separation above).

Guess what? nothing happened! She never called. The case never went ahead. This chart is, I believe, a classic example of the "doctrine of separation" in action.

Deb: feel free to use this chart as a case-study in support of your approach to separating planets. Here, the key aspect between significators was separating by a mere 1-2 minutes of arc...and look what happened!! Seems that Lilly might be wrong about this after all, as you suggest - an allowance of 6 minutes of arc here would have given the wrong answer......