Stoke-Arsenal 3-1

I think you had got Stoke down as winner, Ficinia, so well done!
This was also a good example of just how far non-radicality will swing.

I didn't get to watch the match, so I can't comment the times that the goals were made.

Ficina wrote:I see two possible scenarios - either Arsenal score 1st half and Stoke 2nd half or both score 1st half, then Stoke again 2nd half

Both scored 1st half and Stoke score 2nd half. Perfect!

Well, I didn't go all out for Stoke. I suggested two possible outcomes, one of which fortunately turned out to be correct

At 3.06pm Stoke scored their second goal in the very last minute of the Mercury hour, just before it changed to Moon. Mercury was conjunct Danger/Peril when they scored their third at 3.15 which doesn't seem to make much sense.

Maybe their two 2nd half goals were shown by those two Arabic parts conjunct Mars that I mentioned, although the exact timing was incorrect. Oh well, it's very difficult to get everything spot-on, and there were no arguments at the end of the game either.

Just looking ahead to Wednesdays games. (I'm overlooking the Tuesday games I know)

Are there any glaring mistakes on the LIKELY colours?

Villa v Arsenal Mercury/Moon
Chelsea v B'ham Jupiter/Saturn
Blackburn v Wigan Jupiter v Sun
Everton v Sunderland Jupiter v Mars.

I'll post some more comments on these games in advance.

Initial thoughts for Wednesday. Games start at 19.45 and 20.00 GMT.

1- POF conjunct sun before 20.00
2- POF opposite Mars 20.12 Everton 1-0
3- POF conjunct Venus 20.17
4 Planetary Hour (PH) Moon 20.30. Arsenal 1-0
5 Moon square Saturn exact 21.20. Chelsea 1-0
6 MC change to Cancer 21.39. Arsenal 2-0
7 PH saturn. 21.46 Chelsea 1-1
8 Part Conquest opposite Saturn 21.50 Chelsea 2-1.

Do not put any money on this

Part of Triumph does not quite perfect opposition saturn
Moon and Saturn almost, but do not cross the MC and ascendant

I've took the chart as at Birmingham only, I've not adjusted for the North West or London.

If I'm anywhere close I'll be the most suprised

What else have I missed. Not looked at charts being radical.

Are there any glaring mistakes on the LIKELY colours?

Villa v Arsenal Mercury/Moon
Chelsea v B'ham Jupiter/Saturn
Blackburn v Wigan Jupiter v Sun
Everton v Sunderland Jupiter v Mars

I agree that those are the most likely colours.

All charts are radical - Mercury rules the day, hour and Ascendant! Same as the ManU/ManC Carling Cup game which also starts at 8pm. I've been focusing my attention on that one so I'm glad you've done all the work on the others

What about Blackburn/Wigan? I seem to remember seeing Sudden Advancement conjunct Sun at some point, although the planetary hour might not be favourable for them.

I'm wondering whether Villa will score during the first half while Mercury is hour-ruler. Having said that, there's nothing much else going on with Mercury except it will trine the Ascendant. Well, that could be enough. Then perhaps Arsenal are more likely to score in the second half while Moon is hour-ruler. I haven't tracked the whole game through yet though to see what else might be going on.

I've been noticing that teams are more likely to score while the hour-ruler is one of their sigs and very unlikely when it's one of the opponent's sigs. When the hour-ruler is 'neutral', then either team can score but I think this needs more looking into.

There have been three occasions now when a team's sig conjunct Part of Death has shown that team losing, two of which have been odds-on faves. The latest example was last night when Charlton lost at home to Orient who were 6/1 underdogs!

Yes, there is a cup game going on as well.

So that is Mars v Venus.

Chart is radical. Planetary hour changes to Moon and Saturn during the games, the chart is not radical during these planetary hours ( I think)

Part of Sudden Advancement(POSA). Thank you, overlooked that one.

Conjuncts the sun at 21.00, opposes mars at 21.08 and conjuncts venus at 21.10.

I'm expecting the second half will kick off about 21.05.

Half time at Blackburn-doesn't help Wigan?
The Mars/Venus aspects I'm treating as one. So it could be 2-0 to Everton.

For the cup game, I'm reading this as the same as the Everton game, with negative aspect to Mars from POF and POSA.

So two goals for ManC POF conjunct Venus and POSA conjunct Venus

It will be interesting to compare the Everton and Man U games

Charts are still radical during Moon hour with Virgo Asc (Moon rules Earth triplicity by night) but not when Asc changes to Libra at 9.41. Then hour changes to Saturn at 9.47 - radicality debatable. (Timings are specifically for Old Trafford where it's interesting to note Asc and MC change signs at the same time!)

I'm not sure about things happening during half-time - maybe it's the fact of them happening rather than the exact timing. I'm more concerned about the planetary hour possibly being unfavourable for Wigan. It seems to be neutral so that would be ok and at least it doesn't 'belong' to the opponents. Same scenario with the ManC Venus testimonies. It looks rather positive for them from the Arabic parts point of view and of course they already have a one-goal advantage from the first leg.

I'll get the radical chart assessment in my head eventually.

I seem to recall that radical/triplicity tended to a draw, although there seems to be enough going on after the 20.30 change for there to be positive results (rather than neutral/draw results).

As this is all new, I'm simply logging what happens and when. The trick is then to make sense of it (if at all).

I'll log up anything on the Part of Death (POD) when I find it on the computer, so this can be followed as well.

POD conjuncts Moon at 21.00. Goal to Villa?

As this is all new, I'm simply logging what happens and when. The trick is then to make sense of it (if at all).

Yes, that's what I'm doing too, checking back over previous games to see what appears to be working when.

POD conjuncts Moon at 21.00. Goal to Villa?

Going by what's happened previously it should mean that Arsenal lose. Of course it may turn out to be the exception that proves the rule! I said that I thought nothing was going on with Mercury in the first half but I've just checked and seen that it's conjunct Sudden Advancement at 7.49. So with Mercury being hour-ruler, I shall be somewhat irritated if Villa fail to score during the first half.

Well, the less said about the Villa/Arsenal result the better, so let's 'accentuate the positive'.

John wrote:it could be 2-0 to Everton.

Everton 2 - 0 Sunderland

John wrote:Chelsea 2-1.

Chelsea 3 - 0 Birmingham
Very close. Correct result and correct number of goals scored.

I can't see where all those ManU goals came from (result 3-1). I'm wondering about trines from Arabic parts to significators during the game. The Solar Fire animated horary page only logs the conjunctions and oppositions. Is there a short-cut way of getting the trines somehow?