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Time twins - a different sort of mystery chart (1)

1 by amandaW
Introduction
I have been thinking about posting a couple of these for a while. So this is an experiment to see how it goes.

In this type of mystery chart the objective is not to guess who the person is at all.

Instead, the name of a famous person and their public birth details will be provided. Plus the birth data of a real person born within a couple of hours who is not famous .

The aspects in the charts will be approx the same - the differences will be in house placements, directions etc. It therefore is perfect for using traditional techniques

The object of the exercise is to see if we can identify what the mystery ordinary person is like in key areas of their life, career, health, relationships etc etc. and in what ways that will be the same as the celebrity and in what ways it might be different.

Then, as for other mystery charts, after exhausting the discussion, the actual facts about the real person will be provided.

2 by amandaW
OK here we go

Bill Gates
28 October 1955
Seattle, WA
there are two reported times 9.15 pm PST (+8 ) ( a biography) and 10pm ( astrodatabank person from memory). you may use either - just say which

and
Mystery 'twin' 1
29 October 1955
0.25 am EST (+5)
Montreal Quebec Canada

Because I don't know everything about this person ( e.g. health issues etc)it will be easier if we keep it to a few life areas. I suggest initially:
Wealth (obviously)
Career
Sphere of influence ( i.e in Bill Gates case global)
Relationships/marriage
Children
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3 by Deb
Hi Amelia

An interesting idea. I'm not able to get to my usual computer today to draw up the other chart but we already had Bill Gate's chart on site, so I set it to show in your post. I'll add the other chart in a day or two, unless someone else is able to show it first in one of those imageshack links.

I know people are bound to want to know this - how accurate is the other person's birth time?

Deb

4 by amandaW
how accurate is the other person's birth time?
Not 'seen birth cert.' accurate but reasonably. If I remember correctly it was from his mother and might have been up to 10 mins or so earlier but not later.

6 by Eddy
On the astrodienst chart service

Bill Gates' 21:15 Seattle time gives 18?13'Cancer
Bill Gates' 22:00 Seattle time gives 26?58'Cancer (as in Amelia's post)

twin1 29th 0:25 Montreal time gives 25?44'Leo

MC's are: 22?35' Pisces, 4?52' Aries and 16?55'Taurus respectively.

8 by Estebon_Duarte
I think the major difference between these charts is that Gates has the chart luminary, the Moon, as ruler of the Ascendant, elevated and conjunct the MC while being received by its ruler.
The Ascendant ruler of the mystery chart, is cadent, peregrine and below the earth.
So as far as eminence goes, I would say Gates chart shows a greater rise, though Jupiter rising in Leo is impressive (mystery chart), he is configured toward the native, where in Gates chart he is configured toward finances.
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10 by yuzuru
Wealth (obviously)

While Bill Gates chart is very determined to wealth, as Esteban noted, Twin?s chart is not so.
Wealth is not always easy to see because most people have steady jobs with steady payments.
But I would say that twin has some problems with money. Maybe he is a big spender.
Nonetheless, I do think that he has some potencial (jupiter is ruler of fortuna and is on the ASC; venus is ruler of exaltation of fortuna and aspects fortuna).

Career
I believe his vocation is connected to the arts, to harmony, to beauty, etc. As Venus is conj. Saturn, I don?t believe he is in a very "venusian" profession, but probably some aspect of it will show, together with a saturnian color.


Sphere of influence ( i.e in Bill Gates case global)
I believe his eminence is just average.


Relationships/marriage
His wife/partner seem to be either saturnian or jupiterian.

Children
I would say he will have an average number, but will not have many.
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11 by PallasAthene
yuzuru wrote: Sphere of influence ( i.e in Bill Gates case global)
I believe his eminence is just average.
Interestingly both charts have L10 in detriment in 4th. Twins L10 is actually more angular ie closer to cusp.

So is sphere of influence not a 10th house issue? Thanks.

Gates moon in 10th.. is that the "global" indicator? Twin 10th's empty...

12 by PallasAthene
ah OK, I can see what you're doing now. AC ruler for "sphere of influence".

I can see activities related to "communication" for the twin chart also.

Mars and mercury straddling 3rd cusp and sun there also.. he certainly has a message to communicate! L3 and L10 same planet, this is how he makes his living. L10 in L4, may work from home. L9 on 3rd cusp.. he could be a preacher!

Altogether I would guess that he works from home in an industry connected to creativity and communication.. copywriter, art director. With such an angular jupiter, he could even be teacher? An art teacher?

Could he be an evangelical type of priest with such a jupiter and a gift for oration?
yuzuru wrote: Career
I believe his vocation is connected to the arts, to harmony, to beauty, etc. As Venus is conj. Saturn, I don?t believe he is in a very "venusian" profession, but probably some aspect of it will show, together with a saturnian color.
Since saturn is L7, maybe he works closely with a partner?
hmm, saturn and venus, what career would that be? One that is taken seriously?
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