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Hi Steve,

Concerning the saturn-pluto parans and your calls for a special computer program in an other thread, I would like to point out that it seems to me that you are simply talking about a line crossing between saturn and pluto lines in an astrocartography map.

If you look at the chart for the quake that way, the saturn-pluto paran was much more to the north. saturn - nodes line crossing was in chile though.

But then there a saturn pluto paran (if its the same as a saturn-pluto line crossing), everyday somewhere on the planet. So I doubt that there is any predictive value in it.

regards

socrates

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Deb wrote
I would like to identify the chart that could have forewarned this area as one that was susceptible to damage at this time
I agree. It is a good learning experience to identify signatures in hindsight-but to be useful we should be able to see them in advance.

We have to narrow it down:
If we assume, (for the sake of this discussion, some may propose alternatives), that Saturn Square Pluto is partly responsible. But it has been in aspect for 3 months and every degree and all the planets culminate everywhere each day.

So we are still left with why Chile ( as opposed to somewhere else on the Ring of Fire) and why that date?

Andrew's theory that the 45 degrees to the eclipse, which is essentially the lunation in thsi case full moon, gives a trigger. But why wait for the lunation? why would the activity not occur around the time of the eclipse itself. We need more help from other planets. Deb suggests the Mars trine and I suggested the Jupiter conjoining the sun for the full moon. The former probably helps trigger the event, the latter makes it a big one perhaps?

But still why Chile exactly?

Dr Farr wrote
Atlantean's and Steve's observations regarding parans (relating to mundane matters such as earthquakes) are definitely thought provoking (and appreciated!)
I agree . But until we check this against previous earthquake clusters , it could be just coincidence.

I am a frustrated geophysicist ( thanks to my schools attitude to girls careers), so find this really fascinating. Just before New Year I started some work on whether the upcoming square with Pluto and Satrun in 2010 and Uranus afterwards through 2012-13 would lead to more seismic activity. I didn't get farther than looking at the astrocartography of the 2012 square and noting that it picks up the SF chart and its 1906 earthquake. Perhaps I should take a deeper look. Ideas and suggestions for investigation welcome.

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Well put Amelia! Our astrological knowledge is very limited when it comes to mundane astrology.

Regards, Steve
With all our modern knowledge and scientific equipment, and with the the great strides made in mathematics, we astrologers have done nothing to even remotely compare with the achievements of the astrologers of antiquity. Cyril Fagan

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Ideas and suggestions for investigation welcome.
My suggestion is that you should do it :)
I couldn't help noticing how big the Moon is tonight, and then I realised that it was at perigee on the day of the Chile earthquake. I have heard that the Moon at perigee is supposed to cause land slides and earthquakes, but has anyone done real research into this?

BTW, Steve, I do think your paran observation is very important. I'm only mentioning other ideas that seem worthy of investigation or note.

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On Friday, February 26, 2010 (approx. 20:31 UT) or, looked at locally, Saturday, February 27, 2010 (approx. 5:31 AM) a 7.0 magnitude earthquake occured at the Ryukyu Islands, Japan (at a depth of 22 km) This Ryukyu quake was the first 7 magnitude (or greater) seismic event to occur (in the world) subsequent to the Haiti quake of January, 2010. Now I might be wrong, but to me it seems significant that these 2 massive quakes (Ryukyu and the Chile 8.8 mag quake) occured so closely together in time, but seperated by so many degrees of both longidtude and latitude in space. Will someone with computer capacity construct a chart for the Ryukyu quake so we might compare it to the Chile quake? There exists a wealth of information about the dates, times and places of dozens of 7.0 and greater quakes at the USGS website, and we might find relevant data from an astrological point of view if someone makes a study of the various elements found in charts erected for these major siesmic events.

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Deb wrote:
I couldn't help noticing how big the Moon is tonight, and then I realized that it was at perigee on the day of the Chile earthquake. I have heard that the Moon at perigee is supposed to cause land slides and earthquakes, but has anyone done real research into this?
BINGO! Deb, I think this observation has hit the ?nail on the head? pertaining to the Chile earthquake and the mega storm that hit France. This jogged my dying brain cells (many are already dead) and I dug-out some of my old file notes under Mundane Astrology and found this:

?Astronomical cycles relate to physical cycles and have real-world correspondences. If you live near seashore you?re very much aware of the eclipse-coastal storm connection. When we experienced a ?super perigee? or proxigean Moon that corresponded with the Full Moon of March 8th, 1993, it spawned one of the fiercest East Coast (US) blizzards of the century.? Page 93, Cycles by Mary Downing, ?Essentials of Intermediate Astrology.?

I never will forget this storm?it produced blizzard conditions (unprecedented) , with more than a foot of snow, in the deep southern states. The weather channel produced a special on this storm and labeled this special??The Storm of the Century.? This same storm not only wrecked havoc on the east coast but wrecked havoc on all US coastal areas in the Gulf of Mexico. My electrical power was knocked out for eight days. It?s the only time in my life I have ever seen/heard lighting and thunder while snowing.

So, what we have just witness with this last Full Moon cycle was what Mary Downing labels a ?super perigee? Full Moon. It is now obvious to us that this ?Super? Bad Full Moon created causal effects with the Chile quake and the mega storm that hit Europe. We are still left with the puzzlement of knowing ?Where on Earth?? Does anyone know when the next ?Super? Full Moon with perigees cycles will occur? If so, please post where we can maybe monitor.

Note that this ?Super? Full Moon with the quake chart featured only one partile aspect (45 semi square) and that was with Saturn partile culminating. This ?Super? Full Moon was applying by 36 minutes to another partile 135 with Pluto. So we can see this rare ?Super? Full Moon was partiled wired with Saturn & Pluto. Remember Jim?s teachings from ?Interpreting Solar Returns???Partile Aspects Reign Supreme.?

I will later post some more of my Mundane file notes which may help us with our sight.

The thought just occurred to me that this same ?Super? Full Moon was probably responsible for killing off many more of my brain cells with my attendance, as well as thousands more, at the Eric Clapton concert on Feb. 28th. But that?s OK?IT WAS WORTH IT!

Regards, Steve
With all our modern knowledge and scientific equipment, and with the the great strides made in mathematics, we astrologers have done nothing to even remotely compare with the achievements of the astrologers of antiquity. Cyril Fagan

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For others who are interested the USGS site is an excellent source of information with times as well as dates of earthquakes.

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eqinthenews/

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/ ... orical.php

There is also a summary of the scientific results of prediction attempts: I imagine with their computer capacity they have run every astronomical option avialable already. But then again........ ;-)

http://www.usgs.gov/corecast/details.asp?ID=76[/url]

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Deb wrote:
I couldn't help noticing how big the Moon is tonight, and then I realised that it was at perigee on the day of the Chile earthquake. I have heard that the Moon at perigee is supposed to cause land slides and earthquakes, but has anyone done real research into this?
Mars was also close to perigee. It was at perigee during the last days of January, but is very close to this position during the whole months of January and February.

Richard Nolle writes about these on his site Astropro.com, where he makes some very apt predictions on how and where these positions possibly will manifest.
Here is the link to his 2010 forecast:

http://www.astropro.com/homeIE45.html

ea

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Damn good link ea. Excellent astrology pertaining to the collective and the world at large. Also good advice for everyone where Richard Nolle said pertaining to the current Mars retrograde cycle:
"We?ll have plenty of time to watch the headlines and observe the Mars Maximum correlates as they develop. Just remember that they don?t develop only ?out there? in the world at large. They?re also alive in us, in the people around us. This is a time to be safety conscious, to get a grip on the animal spirits within and channel them productively rather than letting them loose on anyone who gets your goat. If people are cranky, if you?re short tempered too, realize that this is just the nature of the time/space field for now, and do your best to ride it out with as little drama and damage as possible."
Thanks a-lot for this informative link.

Regards, Steve
With all our modern knowledge and scientific equipment, and with the the great strides made in mathematics, we astrologers have done nothing to even remotely compare with the achievements of the astrologers of antiquity. Cyril Fagan

'Super Moons'

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More from Richard Nolle's link pertaining to 'Super Moons'--related to threads in this topic.
"I mentioned at the outset that this year?s extreme declination SuperMoons look like an important theme for 2010. SuperMoon is a word I coined in a 1979 article for Dell Publishing Company's HOROSCOPE magazine, describing what is technically termed a perigee-syzygy; i.e. a new or full moon (syzygy) which occurs with the Moon at or near (within 90% of) its closest approach to Earth (perigee) in a given orbit. In short, Earth, Moon and Sun are all in a line, with Moon in its nearest approach to Earth. (My most recent print article on this subject appeared in the October-November 2007 issue of The Mountain Astrologer.)"

2005 warned of severe storms within plus or minus three days of the day Hurricane Katrina formed, and even specified the Gulf of Mexico as one of the areas at risk in connection with that particular SuperMoon alignment. I've done this for some thirty years now, from articles in the astrology press to the online forecasts at my website, Astropro.

Examples of the SuperMoon connection with major storms and seismic events abound: the Mt. Pinatubo eruption, the largest volcanic event in the second half of the 20th Century, took place on June 15, 1991 (within three days of a SuperMoon); the October 6, 1948 Richter 7.3 earthquake that struck Ashgabat, Turkmenistan and took 110,000 lives, one of the deadliest earthquakes on record (again within three days of a SuperMoon, allowing for time zones); and the September 8, 1900 hurricane and tidal surge that struck Galveston, Texas on the day of a SuperMoon, which killed more people (8,000 dead) than any other Atlantic hurricane on record and remains the deadliest natural disaster yet to strike the United States. I'm just scratching the surface here, citing only a few historic instances in the past hundred years or so. Look a little deeper, and you'll run across literally hundreds more greater and lesser seismic and meteorological disturbances, from Hurricane Andrew in 1992 to the 1989 World Series (Loma Prieta) earthquake - just to name a couple contemporary notable examples.

Obviously it won't be the case that all hell will break loose all over the world within a few days either side of the SuperMoons of 2010. For most of us, the geocosmic risk raised by SuperMoon alignments will pass with little notice in our immediate vicinity. This is a rather roomy planet, after all. But the fact remains that a SuperMoon is planetary in scale, being a special alignment of Earth, Sun and Moon. It's likewise planetary in scope, in the sense that there's no place on Earth not subject to the tidal force of the perigee-syzygy. Of course, earthquakes and volcanic eruptions don't go wandering all over the planet. They happen in predictable locations, like the infamous "Ring of Fire" around the Pacific plate. If you're in (or plan to be in) a place that's subject to seismic upheaval during a SuperMoon stress window, it's not hard to figure out that being prepared to the extent that you can is not a bad idea. Likewise, people on the coast should be prepared for extreme tidal surges. Severe storms on the other hand can strike just about anywhere, so it behooves us all to be ready for rough weather when a SuperMoon alignment forms.

That said, there's no harm in making sensible preparations for this year?s SuperMoons. The worst that can happen, if the worst doesn't happen, is that you end up with a stock of fresh batteries and candles, some extra bottled water and canned goods, maybe a full tank of gas and an evacuation bag packed just in case. (The US Department of Homeland Security has a detailed evacuation kit inventory that, to quote them, "could mean the difference between life and death".) And maybe you'll think twice about being in transit and vulnerable to the weather hazards and delays that are so common during SuperMoon alignments. These are the kind of sensible precautions that can make a big difference if the worst does come to pass.

Like eclipses, there are typically four or five SuperMoons annually. We get five this year. (There?s not another year that gets short shrift in SuperMoons until 2013, which has only three.) All of the 2010 SuperMoons are closely associated with another extreme lunar factor: the Moon?s crossing of the celestial equator (the plane of Earth?s equator, projected out into space). This close association between the lunar perigee and the lunar equatorial crossing is something that slips in and out of synch. The two have been meshing within a couple days of each other from summer into fall of 2009, a period of notable storm and seismic activity.
SuperMoons are noteworthy for their close association with extreme tidal forces working in what astrologers of old used to call the sublunary world: the atmosphere, crust and oceans of our home planet - including ourselves, of course. From extreme coastal tides to severe storms to powerful earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, the entire natural world surges and spasms under the sway of the SuperMoon alignment - within three days either way of the exact syzygy, as a general rule. SuperMoon solar eclipses tend to have a wider sphere of impact, extending roughly a week before and after the actual event. And other lunar extremes (of declination, for example) can extend the geocosmic stress window by a day or two here and there in any case.

If you're interested in the history of SuperMoon alignments in connection with great storms, earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, you'll find a sampling of them in my book Interpreting Astrology (published by the American Federation of Astrologers). But a simple review of the news over the past few years should serve to get you acquainted. Take Hurricane Katrina, for example; spawned from a tropical depression formed within three days of the August 19 SuperMoon. My forecast for
Regards, Steve
With all our modern knowledge and scientific equipment, and with the the great strides made in mathematics, we astrologers have done nothing to even remotely compare with the achievements of the astrologers of antiquity. Cyril Fagan

More from Nolle

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The February 28 SuperMoon full moon at 9? 59' Virgo is an exception to the Mars-Venus theme this year, but it?s in the midst of the Red Planet?s close approach to Earth nonetheless. Consequently, I?m still expecting more than the usual rasher of rash behavior in February ? just not tied so closely in time to this particular full moon. What I do expect is a newsworthy upsurge in moderate-to-severe seismic activity (including magnitude 5+ earthquakes and volcanic eruptions), plus strong storms with damaging winds and heavy precipitation; along with extreme high tides. In effect from February 25 through March 3, and happening within sixteen hours of the Moon?s southward crossing of the celestial equator, this looks mostly like a storm and flood indicator ? probably not on a par the January alignment, but noteworthy in its own right. It?s global in scope by definition, but astro-locality mapping suggests a few special risk zones for the February 28 SuperMoon alignment. These include longitudinal risk zones running from Hong Kong down through Perth in the eastern hemisphere, and from Newfoundland down through west-central South America in the western hemisphere. There?s also a Mars horizon arc of note, along the eastern coast of Australia from Brisbane to Melbourne; as well as a longitudinal Mars zone pretty much centered on Delhi.
With all our modern knowledge and scientific equipment, and with the the great strides made in mathematics, we astrologers have done nothing to even remotely compare with the achievements of the astrologers of antiquity. Cyril Fagan