Hi everyone... in lost object horaries, is it a testimony of recovery if the lost object's significator applies to the ascendant? Or does it need to be to the ascendant ruler?

I've read in Frawley that it's a positive indication if it applies to the querent, or to Lord 2.

I know the Ascendant represents the querent, so just a little confused.

Lilly mentions aspects to the ASC, but especially the conjunction:

... if the Lord of the house of the Moon be in the 3rd, or in a Sextile to the Ascendant, there is some hope of finding the thing againe, during that aspect with the degree ascending

If you find the Lord of the 2nd in any Angle, you may judge the thing lost, hid or missing, is within the house of him that demands the Question; and if the Lord of the 2nd be in the Ascendant, or in the Sign wherin the Lord of the Ascendant is, or in one of his houses, you may judge the things is in that part of the house which he himselfe most frequents, or wherein he doth most abide, or is conversant, or where he layeth his owne Commodities, or such things as he most delights in...

Gadbury seems to only mention aspects to the lord of the ASC, 2nd ruler and conjunctions to the ASC (via benefics or the PoF). I don't know about other sources.

Unfortunately wintersa, the most important factor in a lost object?s chart is context.

If you lost your important notebook or purse or jewel somewhere in the house, you will probably find in a few days.

If you have lost your purse in a bus or in a park bench, or forgot a book on the movies, etc, you most probably will never find it again, despite of what you think the chart is showing.

There are a lot of signs of recovery, but I will seldom use them, because my job is to try to help the querent to find it, not to just say "yes, you will".

Unfortunately again, we can never give more than generic advice."Try something with fire", may be useful if you forgot your glasses near the fireplace, but it is usually not that helpful.

so, we have to mix art with common sense in all our judgements.

best regards

Thank you for your replies, both of you. Yuzuru, your approach is very sensible. (In this case it isn't my lost object, but, worse, the object of someone who has never used horary before!)

I had the strange experience of casting a horary for my own lost object (an earring) last week, and having it be oddly accurate, yet troublingly off-base. I'm new to horary, and on the few occasions that I have cast a chart I have also looked at the chart and begun analysing it right away. This time, however, I simply noted the time that I decided to ask a horary about it, went about my business, and didn't look at the chart until about 8 hours later. I also hadn't yet made any attempt to find the lost earring on my own yet - I planned to, but it had fallen out somewhere in the house and I knew i'd have to go over everything with a fine toothed comb.

In the chart, the Ascendant was in 0'58 Cancer - a clear sign, I think, that I had asked the question prematurely, and probably that I should have looked for the object first. The earring was signified either by Lord 2 (Sun in Pisces just inside the 9th, although Mars was right on the 2nd house cusp) or, as I eventually judged, Lord 4 - Venus in 0 Aries, in the 9th and conjunct the Part of Fortune. I thought Venus in Aries was nicely descriptive of the earring, which was a pretty jewelled stud.)

The next day, by accident, I found the earring on the floor of the bathroom, just barely inside the door and right beside the shower. It had fallen into a little bit of dust there. (Appropriately enough for a detrimented Venus, I suppose.) In John Frawley's horary textbook, he says that being near the cusp of a house or sign can mean the object is close to the door. It had just left a water sign (Pisces - the shower?) and was in the first degree of a fire sign (Aries - I believe Frawley says that fire signs signify heat or being close to the walls). It was also in a small pile of dust, which could signify its detrimented condition.

Yet, Mr Frawley suggests that we take the 9th as the study or meditation room, or, alternately, as the "room next to the 8th" -- and that the 8th represents the bathroom. Interestingly, I have been using one of the bedrooms as my temporary study, and it is probably 2 feet away from the entrance to the bathroom where the earring was found. I would have expected, from the chart alone, that the earring be found just inside the door to the bedroom, not the bathroom. Have any of you found this room labelling system to be accurate? Does this just mean that I asked the question too early? Mere coincidence? Perhaps the apartment was built over an old Indian burial ground...

If anyone is curious, let me know and I will post the chart.

Hi Wintersa,

I started to get interested in finding missing objects with horary just recently, and found it be quite accurate. I think that early degree in your case indicated that you were not going to look for the earning right away, it actually uncovered itself, without your special effort.
I had an interesting situation just a few days ago. I lost my keys in the house and could not find it anywhere, the situation was getting stressful b/c I had to leave the house but was unable, so I ran to my computer and did a chart for the location of the keys. Cancer was ruling H2, and the Moon was angular in the 7H in Sag, and the depositor Jupiter was In Pisces with POF. So the angular pattern indicated the keys are indeed in the house, and Sag, a room where one studies or meditates, or spends most of the time, and Pisces indicated being close to water, In our house, we have a living room with the built in kitchen. We spent most of our time there, and we study and we have lots of books in this room as well. So I realized the keys were in that room, and Piscean energy made me think of the sink and water. I looked in the kitchen in the main cabinet where we usually keep the keys, but did not find them. Finally, 40 min. later, my son found the keys in another small kitchen cabinet close to the sink -- we usually use this cabinet for other items.