LOL, two things, I wanted to know if there were other people who use that odd, technique, because I find it interesting. And two, because I was trying to figure out why you thought CA was Leo? I think the only country I'd lay Leo on without any dates to back it up would be Egypt

I wish you had just asked for the reference. I don't think you should be laying Leo on anything. I am sorry, but I found your presentation and question regarding a technique of unknown source most confusing. It certainly confused the matter I was hoping to discuss.

This obscure technique and list of incorporation dates of the cities in ca is surely two entirely different matters? How do you make use the data on the cities? Any one in particular might be interesting.

the city dates I first began to look at when a few years back a friend of mine asked if there was something about a particular city that was bad for her. I asked her why, and she said please first look into it, then I'll tell you, so I did. Two more antagonistic charts I've hardly ever seen before. both Pluto and Saturn of the city squared her Sun and Mercury, Mars squared her Jupiter, she is an Aquarius with an Aries Jupiter, and a lovely Exalted Saturn in Libra. the town was water and earth and Astrologically it just looked horrid, so I started looking at others. I laughed that my own home town, has a lovely grand trine in synastry with my chart.

when I finally asked her if she had legal troubles there, she said she couldn't drive through the place and obery every traffic law without someone harrasing her, so I showed her the two charts, then she asked me to look at surrounding cities to see which one fit her better, Because she needed to be in a certain area for her work. One city over and life improved greatly. She also didn't have to travel through that other one any longer to get where she needed to go.

anyway, I found a list for the Incorporation dates for Ca cities after that, since I tend to work up and down the coast, I do like to know if I'm headed into enemy territory so to speak.

anyway if you look at the La Mesa chart, the stationary Mars in Leo is in Opposition to the la mesa uranus, La Mesa Sun conj Transiting Neptune Illusion, as this is investigated, there are doubts as to the authenticity of the case, which of course makes me wonder if its cover up, or uncovering, The retrograde Transiting Saturn is trine both the Transiting Mars and Moon, Moon is applying, also applying to an opposition with the Transiting Mars which of course means it was coming up on aligning with the natal uranus of La Mesa. if one assumes a somewhat midday chart for la Mesa, then Mars is sitting on the 3rd house cusp. that would all make sense I do believe.

Anyway a non sequitor
I'm still wondering why england uses the 1 Jan 1801 date for current birth data and not either the 1 may 1701 or the 12 April 1922(I think its 1922 when the irish treaty pretty much reversed the 1801 union act) date instead? I would think the James VI data to be the most accurate? anyway, One does commune with ones community or one does not, I would think the formation of the community would be the heart of that question. Of course they haven't changed the Flag since they changed it in 1801 so possibly that is what they base the data on?

Granny

I still prefer 1066 for UK : ) Cap sun, aries rising does it for me.

http://www.archiedunlop.com/2010/02/05/ ... of-toyota/

Here's an article about Toyota's chart.

I'm still wondering why england uses the 1 Jan 1801 date for current birth data and not either the 1 may 1701 or the 12 April 1922(I think its 1922 when the irish treaty pretty much reversed the 1801 union act) date instead?

The country is called The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Its not just England.

As Maurice McCann's research has confirmed it only formally came into existence in 1927.

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2003

I still believe older charts like the 1801 and 1066 chart (just for England) can still resonate to events but I tend to use the 1927 chart as my first resource.

It is interesting how common Leo Moons are represented amongst British Prime Ministers (reflecting the 1927 chart-24 Leo). The UK's most successful Prime Ministers of the last century (Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher) both had their natal Moon in conjunction to the UK Moon (1927 chart). Both Gordon Brown and David Cameron both have Leo Moons although neither is that close to the UK Moon.

The Sagittarius Rising (Saturn rising ) also links closely to the US Sibley chart and perhaps explains the close special relationship the UK and USA have had on many occasions since WWII.

The country is called The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Its not just England.

Mark,

Please don't get too upset up over it . Keep in mind that the thread topic is only a stuck accelerator. Yes, a stuck accelerator.

Please don't get too upset up over it . Keep in mind that the thread topic is only a stuck accelerator. Yes, a stuck accelerator

Sorry if I sound petulant but it is an annoying habit which Americans seem particularly susceptible to. I think you will find most Irish, Welsh and Scottish people living in the United Kingdom feel the same.

But anyway, back to that stuck accelerator...

It seems to me The union Act of 1801 is pretty much reversed for the treaty in 1922, you might as well use the original Union act of 1701, rather than the 1801 in that case. anyway, My Irish and Scots ancestors would NOT appreciate the inclusion. even if My English ones would. Always fun to attempt to change your vocabulary for your audience. I'll see what I can do.

the 1066 chart certainly has its merits. and I think that like the 4 july chart in the US, there are certainly a lot of British who identify with that historical date.

Granny

It seems to me The union Act of 1801 is pretty much reversed for the treaty in 1922, you might as well use the original Union act of 1701, rather than the 1801 in that case.

Did you get an opportunity to read the link to the thread I gave? After the initial post is an article from Maurice McCann setting out why 1927 is legally and constitutionally the effective date for the creation of the modern United Kingdom. Its a very compelling argument as I see it.

Incidentally, the Act of Union between England & Wales and Scotland happened in 1707 not 1701. I assume that is what you meant? I do look at that chart too but use it particularly for issues of relations between England and Scotland. There are strictly speaking two charts for 1707. The vote of the English Parliament (London) and the vote of the Scottish Parliament dissolving itself (Edinburgh). Nicholas Campion only considers the former.