Greetings all!

I have been having a streak of medical horaries lately, and what is interesting that they look similar. My mom had a sudden illness a couple of days ago, and was taken to the hospital due to the case of suspected food poisoning. The diagnosis is not confirmed yet, she needed to wait for a few days for the results of her tests, and is currently recovering at home. I just wanted to get some clue to the seriousness of the illness and its cause.
I asked the question, so I take my mom to be H10, and the L10, Saturn is Rx in the 8th house, this is not a good sign but I suppose a confirmation that that person is sick. Retrograde possibly indicates an illness reoccurring , this is the second time in the last 3 months that she has an incident of what looks like a food poisoning. Saturn is debilitated by R motion and is disposed by Mercury ruler of the 8th, this according to Lilly is not bad, as Mercury receives Saturn and also conjunct Venus which is a benific dignified in Taurus. This indicates the recovery, I think. Next, I look to the 6H, it has Mars in Leo in there, and the dispositor is Sun in Aries in her 2nd. I think that Mars in Leo does indicate trouble, sudden, acute illness, but also, that it is not very long lasting. It is in mutual reception with the dignified Sun, seems like a sign of speedy recovery. The Moon is in the 12th and applies to the Sun in the mom's 2H. Again, according to Lilly, the Moon in the Aqua indicates sickness from overwork, not sufficient sleep (CA II, chapt on H6) and body being overtaxed, but its' application to the Sun seems to be a good sign of recovery, and possibly too much money spent on doctors?
as to the cause of the sickness, Saturn points to cold and dry nature, and Mars to hot and dry -- so it seems that Mars has more sense here, b/c the poisoning was sudden, acute and unexpected. Mars signifies Knees, Heart, and Belly according to Lilly. What is confusing to me,is the length of the sickness. Fixed sign is rising, and fixed sign is on the cusp of the 6H, and the Moon is in the fixed sign, so all that points to a longer recovery time, but the L1, Saturn is in mutable sign, L4 (the end of sickness) is mutable, and depositor of the sickness is the Sun in Aries (cardinal). My judgment is that it would take medium amount of time (a few days?). I'd appreciate other opinions on timing and the nature of the sickness. Many thanks in advance!

Her ruler rx tell us that she indeed is not well.
Dispositor is Me in Ta at 8 degree. Anatomical 8 degree Ta is connected with Cervical Nerves. Dispositor is in fixed sign tell us that ilness will not pass fast.

Your mother is Saturn Rx, peregrine, she is not well. In virgo, intestines, could be indeed something she ate and didn't agree with her but, 6th house in Leo (heart) ruler a strong Sun in Aries. Head.

Sun dispositor of the illness sees Saturn from fall, not a positive indication. The illness is going to give your mother some tough time. Mars in the first decane of the 6th, an acute episode, inflammation, perhaps fever and dizziness, headache, blood.
If it is a plain food poisoning (no matter how severe) it is peculiar there are so many indications for prolonged illness: 6th a fixed sign, moon in fixed sign.
Mother being in mutable, there will be changing phases in her condition.

Thank you, Goga and Dione! I appreciate your input. A couple of clarifications:

Goca, you only consider L1 and its dispositor in medical horaries? What about L6?

Dione, why do you consider the relationship between the dispositor of L6 (in this case Sun in Aries) and L1 (Saturn)? I would have compared the relationship between the dispositor of L1 to L1 itself, and the dispositor of L6 to L6 itself?

I agree with your concern about the nature of this illness -- I worry it may be something more serious and chronic, but I'm not sure what, I feel like the final dispositors although indicate a slow recovery are not showing anything life threatening given their benific nature and some dignity (the Sun is exhalted, and Mercury conj Venus). I'm open to other interpretations though.

Goca, you only consider L1 and its dispositor in medical horaries? What about L6?

Yes, that is how J Frawley suggest in his "The Horary text book" (page 179). There he said : "Do not leap to Lord 6 as significator of the illness".

elumen wrote: Dione, why do you consider the relationship between the dispositor of L6 (in this case Sun in Aries) and L1 (Saturn)?

I took ruler of turned 6th (leo- sun) and checked how it addresses ruler of turned 1st (aquarius - saturn). How the illness factor sees the person and its health. Turned 6th is radical 3rd.
I think I mixed you up by calling it dispositor instead of ruler?

Dione, yes, I got confused by the terms, you're right it makes sense to compare L1 to L6, and they re not in good reception to each other. Incidentally, I have the chart for the beginning of the sickness, my mom told me, so I looked at it, b/c Lilly advises to look at the first moment one got sick. In her case, it was pain in her tummy and severe vomiting.
I wonder if it has more to say about the nature of the sickness, but we can see very similar significations here, expect the Moon is in the last degree of Capricorn and is applying to the opposition of Mars, Not good indications, but I take them to represent the progression of her sickness in the next few hours. The symptoms got more and more intense, she started to lose consciousness, and was taken by the ambulance to the hospital. The chart indicates the the person is sick and it is serious. The ruler of the 1H is Sun in Aries, essential dignified, and the ruler of the sickness is Saturn in Libra Rx, strong but debilitated by Rx, as in the previous chart they are in each other sign of debility which is a worrisome sign. I suppose it means that it will take a longer time to recover, not sure what it says about the cause of the sickness. The Moon is about to change signs from debility to peregrine, and oppose Mars and sextile Saturn -- serious signs for the non-well being, but Still the L1 is strong, Venus is angular, and Saturn and Mars are not. I take it means that the native will overcome the illness, still wonder what is the correct diagnosis here.

Hi Elumin
These charts are both, clearly, very descriptive of problems around the abdominal region. They both throw their focus upon Mars in Leo, describing the sudden and acute condition (Mars in Leo is the belly CA p.119), but they also both emphasise Saturn?s retrograde return from Libra to Virgo; which seems to point to an underlying condition, or something that can reoccur. Actually I don?t like making ?quick comments? on a chart like this that is so personal to you, but couldn?t help noticing how similar the signification was to a chart I drew for my mother-in-law years ago when she was taken to hospital with similar conditions to those you describe. The problem turned out to be gall stones (the gall is the bodily seat of Mars) which led to infection and then pancreatitis. This could have been avoided if her symptoms had been taken more seriously ? apparently the doctors had found the stones in earlier tests but had not explained to her the problems they could cause through complications. Well, you need to trust the doctors and there is little you can actually do ? but these charts do seem to be pointing to a problem that needs to be recognised, so I wanted to alert you to the possibility of gall or kidney stones, which can sometimes be dismissed as a common complaint, and so not taken seriously enough. I hope you get all your answers soon,
Deb

Thank you so much for your response, Deb. I was hoping to get a comment from you. This is a serious question, and I did want to get more clarity on what the condition is. I'm going to advice my mom to have more tests done, and that's what we have been discussing with her already. I told her that the fixed signs indicate something long-lasting or possibly chronic condition (she knows astrology well enough to understand.) But we both were wondering what the problem was, and given it happens for the second time in the last 3months, it just did not seem to be connected to food poisoning. Thank you for pointing out about the abdominal area and possible kidney or gall stones, it is hard for me to determine the affected area, b/c there are so many indications. Do you agree with my interpretation that the sickness is not life threatening? (Based on her ruler essentially dignified, and Venus being angular in the last chart)?

Hi Elumin
You need to look at her natal chart too, but I thought your analysis of the horary was excellent, and you seem to have a good understanding of the signification yourself so I'm not sure that anything I add could be of benefit to you. I did agree with Dione's warning about the need to notice the indications of its recurrence. Your mother may have good vitality to make a full recovery now, but this chart is a little too focused on the malefics for me to not see the horary as a warning of an ongoing problem which needs to be rectified. (But what can you do, other than make sure she gets medical attention?)
Decumbiture is the one area where I am less inclined to see benefics on angles as indications that everything will go well. They can't be a good sign, because their culmination occurs as the person falls sick - so there must be something in that signification which relates to the cause of the sickness. The decumbiture chart has Venus in Taurus on the MC and Neptune on the dsc - that's a lot of cold and moist - and Venus is disposing of Saturn in Libra, so this could be pointing to a blood sugar/kidney problem. (I need to add that this is a really quick post, with some ideas for you to think about - so please don't take anything I say too seriously). But the Mars in Leo has got to be pointing to some internal rupture, or blockage that is causing an infection/inflammation; that?s why I was thinking of a complication from something like kidney stones. Let's see how the blood tests go - and fingers crossed they identify a clear problem (obviously a clear, but easily remedied problem!!)
Deb

Deb's pointed out the stomach and it made much more sense given the symptoms. Apologies for being short sighted and thinking leo-heart.
The much aries in the horary, I remembered it can help locate the part of the organ that is in trouble; the 'top' part of whatever the organ is.
In all I agree on the decumbiture analysis you made alumen and of course I had a "darn, right" moment by reading deb's posts.

Academically, it is interesting the horary and the decumbiture share common indications like elumen notes. We have sun-aries in both, L6 seeing L1 from fall, fixed 6th house.
A change is (about) to happen?I think it will be a change to the best (without ignoring the indications of prolonging): The illness is in Libra pointing to kidneys like Deb mentions, critical saturn is about to lose all its strength, turning peregrine and will stop seeing the mother from fall and Moon is about to exit its detriment, also going peregrine. Moon will be seeing sun from detriment but I think it looks as an improvement myself...

We will see and best wishes on a fast recovery!

I have a question about vomiting...is a palindromic move/course, from stomach to throat to mouth, caused by excess of acid. What significator(s) would we assign so every time we see them we will know there was such a manifestation?

Thank you, Deb and Dione, for your helpful comments. I am nervous about my mom's condition, but at the same time, I want to find out the true cause of it. It helps to know the extent of the problem (and I take it as a general indication not the definite diagnosis). Incidentally, her current Solar Return indicated some health issues, and she knew about it. Another interesting fact that the rising sign on Decumbiture chart is conjunct her natal stellium in Leo (including her Sun). And in her natal chart she has Mars in Libra conj Neptune in the 6th house which would also point to kidney area. (Deb's point about the significance of benific in a Decumbiture chart makes sense given that is the chart of the sickness.)

Today, mom wrote to me that the test results so far did not show anything abnormal, but she is going to take the advice given on this forum (I shared about your helpful comments) and have her kidneys and gall bladder checked. She is feeling better, but not entirely healthy yet.