GR wrote:I just wanted to pipe in and say that all you John Bulls do things weird.

lol its one of the most momentous days in UK political history and we've got someone saying pipe down with all the charts!

The thing is its not really a straightforward 'tory victory' is it? They are going to have to sacrifice a lot of cherished ideas in a coalition government.

Yes, sounds like the news is on its way now. All of these charts are good to have, but I wonder if there is a way to keep an easy access to the main charts, whilst the conversation is free-flowing too. Maybe in the upcoming 'new Labour Leader' discussion we could have two linked threads, one of which only contains relevant charts (with a menu in the first post to what charts are in there) and the other for ongoing discussion and debate?

BTW, I was thinking last night of how someone mentioned Brown doing well in the election because he was the only one with good transits. Watching the news last night of how he has had a constant trail of disaster to cope with since becoming PM, truly horrific really, made a lot of sense of that. I suspect that his personal life is about to get tremendously more fulfilling and free from woe as he steps down from office. In the meantime there is something slightly worrying about the fact that our new government is being formed (born) as witness disasters in the seas, disasters in the skies, and disasters in the markets.

MarkC wrote:The thing is its not really a straightforward 'tory victory' is it? They are going to have to sacrifice a lot of cherished ideas in a coalition government.

True, I read it as a tory government winning a majority and I think John likewise. The lack of any great enthusiam probably includes many tory voters but that will be helped by seeing the back of the Govt.

the date of the horary was April 17 btw.

Tom wrote:

The MC is in a cardinal sign but its ruler (Mars) is in a fixed sign

The UK is apparently going from a left wing government to a left wing coalition government. "The more things change, the more they remain the same."

Tom

Left wing government?

The UK hasn't had one of those since the 1970s and isn't in danger of having one anytime soon, if ever again.

True, I read it as a tory government winning a majority and I think John likewise. The lack of any great enthusiam probably includes many tory voters but that will be helped by seeing the back of the Govt.

I am sorry to sound pedantic but I dont feel a general prediction of a 'Tory victory' is that impressive.

Lets remember there were 4 outcomes that looked realistic before the election:

1 Conservative majority govt
2 Conservative minority government
3 Conservative-Liberal democrat coalition govt
4 Labour-Liberal Democrat coalition govt.

People making a general prediction of 'Tory victory' could claim a successful prediction if either option 1, 2, or 3 occured. The only option that could prove them wrong was option 4. So statistically, it was a pretty safe prediction to make.

What is unique about this election is the fact a coalition looks likely to emerge from it. As I see it only those that factored this into their prediction can really claim to have nailed the result of this election. Its the thing that makes this election almost unique.

Of our numerous members who have posted here only two Matt and Steven Birchfield seem to have completely got the outcome of this election correct. They both predicted a Conservative -Liberal Democrat coalition. However, I am getting ahead of myself again....

Hi Handn,

Speaking as an American, like Tom, you have to understand, UK politics are considerably to the "left" of anything that any American politician would dare espouse. Both our major parties would be center-right and right wings in your Tories, with some uncomfortable cross-over into BNP territory, and wingnuts here would look at Cameron and shout "SOCIALST OLIGARH!!"

In the meantime there is something slightly worrying about the fact that our new government is being formed (born) as witness disasters in the seas, disasters in the skies, and disasters in the markets.

You have to feel for anyone taking over the role of British PM right now. The term 'poisoned chalice' comes distinctly to mind. Despite my political allegiances being elsewhere you have to wish Cameron and his new government the best for the good of the country. This is going to be an exceptionally tough few years ahead for the United Kingdom.


Mark

Deb wrote:I heard a media conversation earlier today where the reporter asked a commentator what he thought now, and his answer was ?what I think now is that it?s best to stop trying to predict what is going to happen next?. There is probably something for astrologers in that. Deb

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Deb wrote: All of these charts are good to have, but I wonder if there is a way to keep an easy access to the main charts, whilst the conversation is free-flowing too.Deb

Being disciplined in choosing what charts to use in such a situation and sticking to them keeps the focus on the matter in hand and event charts, if radical, should reveal the complete picture - even if the 'end of the matter' reveals no conclusion!.

On 6/5/10 the event charts for 7am and 10pm are both radical and have shown how the mundane events have unfolded in the real world and are both, in their own ways, telling the same story. The 'end of the matter' in both charts clearly gives the outcome, in my view.

While the 10pm chart is 'the reverse' of the 7am chart both charts have Saturn/Uranus opposition straddling the 10th/4th- a strong and fundamental indicator of radical change and reform within structures and tradition of government and the opposition.

However, in addition to telling the same story, both charts show up two different aspects of the same event namely the PM's position and outcome in the 7am chart [which has come to fruition] and the position and outcome of the leader of the opposition in the second chart.

And, as I write, retrograde Mercury, who has been in mutual reception with Venus, since event charts were raised, and who are significators of 'diplomatic resolutions' and 'a contract' is about to station direct at 10.23pm GMT - so negotiations should become more clear between the parties, perhaps both understanding each other better.

Astrologers need to keep refining and proving that the art of astrology prediction 'works'- and when it does we shouldn't be that surprised!

MarkC wrote: You have to feel for anyone taking over the role of British PM right now. The term 'poisoned chalice' comes distinctly to mind. Despite my political allegiances being elsewhere you have to wish Cameron and his new government the best for the good of the country. This is going to be an exceptionally tough few years ahead for the United Kingdom.

True, there is a distinct lack of any "Mandate of Heaven" over there, at least at the moment.

MarkC wrote: Actually, the English are are considerably more right of centre overall than the troublesome Celts from Scotland and Wales. The Conservatives are an endangered species in Scotland.

You'll soon be rid of those dirty colonizing Saxons, Mark ...

Gordon Brown has resigned as British Prime minister.

He stepped out of 10 Downing Street at 19:18 to make a speech stating he was resigning.

He then made his way to Buckingham Palace to tender his resignation to the Queen. He entered Buckingham Palace at 19:27. He left Buckingham Palace as the ex Prime Minister at 19:43. UPDATE: Buckingham Palace document recording Gordon Brown's resignation timed for 19:45 BST.

Here is the chart for his resignation speech:
Below this the moment he signed the document tendering his resignation:
Below are two Biwheels. The first with Gordon Brown's transits for the moment of his resignation speech. The second for the moment he formally tendered his resignation.

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Left wing government?

The UK hasn't had one of those since the 1970s and isn't in danger of having one anytime soon, if ever again.[/quote]

70's, did I miss this?. I'm pretty certain Britain has never had a left wing government. Although the post war regime had a quite radical agenda towards social justice.