I'm doing my master's project ... Tecumseh Factor: American History from the Get-Go to the End of Days -- or

American History from the Black Mat to the BP Oil Patch

So I've been getting into the Mayans again -- what they tracked is the galactic equator -- the Ceiba or world tree with Itzamna, the golden bird in the frazier's golden bough the Galactic Center.

The cap solstice precessed to it -- (thanks to phil sedgwick's tutelage) december 1999 -- say solstice 1999 ... by 2012 we'll be 13 years into the apocalypse --

The last time a solstice precessed to the Galactic Equator, some 13000 years ago -- well I suggest you google black mat -- 12.9 kya -- some sort of big change -- before this stripe in the geological record in America, the Clovis people hunted the Ice Age mammals -- they had immigrated from Asia over the Bering Strait -- Beringia. Then after this Black Mat, which is sometimes called the Great Extinction -- the MegaFauna disappears. Two theories -- overhunted by the Clovis peoples and/or some extraterrestial contact -- meteor asteroid. The Clovis people evolved along with their tools and weapons into Folsom man -- with a different subsistence base.

The BP Oil Patch is threatening to bring about extinction of several species endemic to the gulf -- some of these creatures are the subsistence base for the shore peoples who will have to evolve along with their tools and weapons to survive

I think the apocalypse is good for a pluto cycle at which time, the solstice should have precessed to conjunction with the Galactic Center, since it is at 6 Sidereal Sagittarius and 28 South Latitude -- I theorize a doppler effect with the intensity falling off rapidly after that.

The last time a solstice precessed to the Galactic Equator, some 13000 years ago -- well I suggest you google black mat -- 12.9 kya -- some sort of big change -- before this stripe in the geological record in America, the Clovis people hunted the Ice Age mammals -- they had immigrated from Asia over the Bering Strait -- Beringia. Then after this Black Mat, which is sometimes called the Great Extinction -- the MegaFauna disappears. Two theories -- overhunted by the Clovis peoples and/or some extraterrestial contact -- meteor asteroid. The Clovis people evolved along with their tools and weapons into Folsom man -- with a different subsistence base.

Tragic as the Gulf of Mexico oil spill is the event is simply one of many such disasters that have happened over the last few decades. Can I ask you to keep your posts a bit tighter to the topic in question? If you want to discuss this meta theory of a global apocalypse (with astrological analysis) please go ahead and open a separate thread on this. Its not really appropriate here.

Thanks

Mark

RegulusAstrology wrote:
Given the size of the disaster and continuing uncertainty on the oil flow due to Mercury/Taurus-retrograde, perhaps the key predictive question from this point is when will the oil well be capped?

A few things spring to mind: If Venus is the oil then what planetary configuration might cause Venus to be contained? The upcoming Venus-Saturn square of 18-May appears relevant as the nature of containment belongs to Saturn. However, Saturn will still be retrograde at this point which suggests a repeated containment attempt will be necessary.

OK A day away from the perfection of Venus-Saturn square and we are getting reports of a partial containment of the oil flow via diversion with an underwater pipe. It took a couple of times for them to get this partial solution through, in line with the delineation of Saturn-retro as a repeated containment attempt.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/17/us/17 ... ill&st=cse

More on Venus as a significator for oil - has anyone seen the news reports of various groups soliciting and collecting human hair for its known ability to absorb vast quantities of oil?

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/06/us/06 ... air&st=cse

The operative phrase is: "the ridged texture that helps hair sop up natural skin oils also make it effective at catching crude." I don't think there is any debate that human hair (and nails) are signified by Saturn. In my view what is going on here is a cold/dry Saturnian item (human hair) absorbs a cold/wet or hot/wet item (oil).

Today BP started the so-called 'top kill' solution which involves force feeding the well with heavy drilling mud and cement.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... gD9FU5PU00

The attempt was started at 2:00 PM CDT. A chart computed for that time, Gulf of Mexico coordinates from prior posts, has an ASC of 21VI56 with Saturn/Virgo-rx near the rising degree. Having some problem posting charts, Mark could you pls post this one for me - thanks -

I don't have much experience in judging event charts like this but based on what I know I would judge a failed attempt of the 'top kill' solution.

1. Saturn/Virgo is the logical significator for heavy ("Saturn") drilling mud ("Virgo") Mercury is the only other planet in earth signs and Mercury is a light planet not heavy, so Saturn.

2. Saturn-retrograde could be interpreted as a second, or repeated attempt required by the drilling mud before success. It is at least that. At any case keeping in mind that Saturn is the principle of containment, Saturn-rx indicates a problem with containment and failure on the first attempt.

3. Moon translates Mercury to Mars. Translation to Mars/Leo in the 12th signifies a problem/error made by the oil workers whose signification I would take as Mars. Mercury rules the 1st and 10th and the Sun; I would take Mercury as BP's analysts and engineers. Mars in the 12th says a mistake at the very least, also that they are not in a good place to see what's going on at ground level (Mars in aversion to Saturn on the Ascendant which signifies the heavy drilling mud).

4. The fixed star placements are quite horrendous and frankly suggest not only a failed attempt but an effort which makes the problem worse. Once Mark puts up the chart, run a fixed star report and see for yourself.

Thanks for the information and analysis. I heard tonight on UK news that if this procedure goes wrong it will makes things considerably worse. This looks rather like a last throw of the dice by BP. I imagine the pressure for Federal US government intervention will grow if this fails.

Here is the chart.

Pity we never got the full analysis from Regulus Astrology. However, he was certainly correct in his prediction that the 'TopKill' operation by BP would fail.

In what looks like increasingly desperate efforts BP as yet again attempting to encase the oil spill source with a large 'funnel'. This technique failed on the last occasion it was attempted. Its now looking quite possible the flow of oil may not be stemmed until August when new oil wells can be drilled to syphon off the oil. Already the amount of oil in this spill has massively exceeded the Exon Valdez oil spiil in Alaska making this the worst environmental disaster in the history of the USA.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/us_and ... 194335.stm

Meanwhile the US Federal and Gulf state governments yesterday began formal criminal investigation in the Gulf of Mexico oil spill. BP has lost over 30% of its share value since this episode began. Its costs in the operation have already amounted to $1 billion dollars. Investors say the cost of tackling the spill in total could rise to as much as ?5bn. But of greater concern is the potential costs of legal action being launched against the company, and the fallout of the criminal inquiry announced by the US Attorney General, Eric Holder, on Tuesday. Currently the market is expecting huge litigation costs of between ?20bn and ?50bn. Some business analysts think the company is liable to a take over bid if its share value continues to drop.

Moreover, the implications are not just for BP and the effected state governments. There is increasing criticism of the Federal government in this crisis. Its not entirely, clear what Obama's administration should be doing it already isn't but in politics perception is often more important than reality. This issue looks like damaging the Democrats at the upcoming Congressional mid term elections this November. Less obvious implications are the detrimental impact these losses will have on many people's Pension funds as BP is a common company for Pension fund investment funds to be located.

Its seems to me this issue is a good test of astrological predictive technique. We have the charts. Plus I know there are a lot of gifted astrologers here. So the challenge I am setting you all is to predict when this crisis will finally be resolved and the oil spill plugged. Anyone up for the challenge?

Mark

Shortly after UR turns retrograde - early July 2010.

Hi Mark,

First a correction, the chart for the top kill operation is off by an hour. It was 1:00 PM CDT or 2:00 PM EDT, an hour earlier than I originally posted. That still leaves Virgo on the Ascendant, just earlier degrees. So the whole sign planet placement remains the same.

Second as I said I don't have much experience judging event charts, that was my best guess and I presented the most important analytical factors why I thought the top kill method would fail. There is no 'missing' analysis I did not post.

In going forward, one has to start with a bit of common sense using the historical record. The 1979-1980 Ixtoc I oil spill is an interesting analog for its Gulf of Mexico location, similar unsuccessful efforts to cap it, and a final end 10 months later after relief wells were drilled and filled with mud, etc., Based on that simple observation, we could perhaps refine the question and say is there any evidence that the spill will be contained in August by relief well drilling as is currently suggested by BP? That would be one way of narrowing the scope of the question.

To get the solution correct, we also have to close ranks around significators for oil. I have made the case that oil is signified by Venus and that Saturn is the universal planet of containment. Mercury also signifies researchers, engineers, etc.,

So far, the earlier Venus applying to Saturn's square timed the first efforts, mildly successful, to divert some of the oil flow.

And since Venus has started to move away from the South Node, the oil flow has increased with cutting the riser today. I would entertain the Venus-South Node conjunction timed the maximum destruction of oil as a result of chemical dispersants which I would assign to the South Node in the water sign of Cancer.

On June 8 Mercury will culminate its trine to Saturn. I judge that as a mistake in engineering because Mercury will be too close to Algol. As I suggested earlier, I argued the transit of Venus to Algol was the timer for the accident.

On June 10 Venus will culminate its sextile to Saturn. Moon/Taurus will also translate Venus to Saturn. Moon/Taurus likes to hoard; this is probably the best shot at timing a partial containment with what they are trying as of the moment. But even a partial containment will still leave some oil spilling out. And when a hurricane approaches, they will have to dismantle their containment apparatus until the storm subsides. So during storm times, oil will still be spilling out full throttle.

So I do think that Venus applying to Saturn will time the end of the problem. And if the Moon or some other planet can translate Venus to Saturn, all the better. This should help narrow down the dates somewhat but there will still be many possibilities. Going back to Ixtoc I, You can see on 23-Mar-1980 when Ixtoc I was stopped that Venus/Taurus was applying to Saturn/Virgo within 4-5 degrees. So there is some precedent for what I am talking about.

For reasons based on my own personal timing, this will be my last post on this topic. I would like to do more but I am entering a 12th house profected year and that time is better spent on private research rather than in public forums.

FWIW: I have seen a separate forecast on the web (non-astro) which predicts the oil well will not be stopped until early to mid 2011, and it will take an earthquake to plug it up! Best of luck to anyone who can figure this out!

it will take an earthquake to plug it up!

Today the Russians claimed they stopped a gas leak (the story I heard on the news wasn't clear (or I missed it) if it was under the earth a good ways or also under water like this one), by using a well placed low yield nuclear bomb. I'm not real sure I believe this and even if true, I'm not real sure it's a good idea, but it is like an earthquake, just one with a strategically placed epicenter.

Tom

Members who have been following this thread may recall the original data for the Deepwater Horizon explosion was approximately 10.00pm CDT on April 20th 2010.

Earlier in the thread I made the following statement in regards the event chart:

The chart is only approximate and I suspect the time was a few minutes earlier putting the malefic fixed star Acrab (aka Graffias) on the ascendant around 3'20 Sagittarius.

We now have a more precise time for the explosion which times to exactly 09.53PM. This makes the Ascendant degree 3.50 Sagittarius. This seems to confirm that this fixed star ( which is very close to the ecliptic) is living up to its traditionally malefic reputation.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/37363194

The article gives more background into the the possible cause of the accident.

I will display the updated chart data later.

Mark

For reasons based on my own personal timing, this will be my last post on this topic. I would like to do more but I am entering a 12th house profected year and that time is better spent on private research rather than in public forums.

Well I hope we see another book emerging from this period of seclusion! I have just ordered two of your books on American mundane astrology for my library. Thanks for all your input to date. I am sure many members, like myself, really appreciate your efforts here to share your research.

Regards

Mark

Here is the updated chart for the Deepwater Horizon explosion on April 20th 2010 at 21.53 CDT