Well, Paul the Octopus is obviously objective, he was right once again!

amelia wrote: Well he lives in Germany but he came from England. So I imagine football wise he needs to work on his issues.

Yes, amelia, so I've heard.
but, he also appears to be a real prophet - Spain is in the final, Germany is out of the picture.

I must say that, after about 20min of the game, I remembered this chart- I am not an expert in this field but, following some general rules, this is exactly the kind of game that i would expect from a team ruled by saturn on the cusp of the 8th- they did't just lose the match, they actually looked very weak and wounded.

I am Jealous.



Monty Python on Success of Octopus and Considerations before JUdgement

Now we know why the 'Consideration before judgement' are helpful.
You are in Germany.
You are in a Glass jar.
It is Germany you are about to predict.
You have already antagonized multiple other countries-just for a morsel.
Your whole species is under threat- if this prediction goes.......Err..Correct.
Do you pick the food in Germany or Spain pot ?
You could have said you have become 'Colour blind' ,
That the Jars are not radical.
You could have gone 'Void of course' .
You did nothing of the sort....
Well! Congratulations, you got it Right.
See you on the breakfast plate.
As Monty Python would say.. you are an Ex-Octopus

PD

Netherlands- Spain
11 July 2010
Kick Off 20:30
Johannesburg
Asc: Aquarius 28 52

Sun conjunct Moon and Moon placed with south Node( though very far). So we can easily say that the match will be Draw and extra time will be required. Penalty shoot out is very much possible.

pankajdubey wrote:I am Jealous.

I watched a video of Paul yesterday and, I must say - that animal doesn't look at all confused, I think he knows what he is doing . I only wonder how he does it! But, then again, maybe any octopus can do that, maybe they're observing us (and having much fun watching our ignorance).

So, what about the rulerships for the final game? (Bare with me, please, i'm an old football fan, I'm somewhat familiar with Astrology too but I'm new in section of the forum! ) . I expect that, on Sunday, the Spanish team will be wearing the away deep-blue kit which means that that the Dutch team will be in the colours of the Sun. If I'm not making a mistake, Spain is ruled by Aquarius which just might give it the Descendant in this chart but for some reason I find it hard to see it that way!

What I said about Neptun's, Chiron's and Black Moon's disposition on ASC proved to be true. Not for the chart but for me. It really confused my head and blinded my eyes. The chart was very telling and radical in its symbolism.
Look at the Moon, the first aspect she made was a sextile to Mercury, L of hour, in Cancer, exaltation of Jupiter, next is a square to Venus, L4, next trine to antisca of Jupiter and finally trine to Saturn, L 1. This proved to be crucial. Because of oversight, I mentioned that the first aspect is a square to Venus, and so there is a cut of light. Actually I am satisfied that I did cotton on to the symbolism of the chart but failed to arrive at the right prediction because of oversight (R Neptun on ASC).
I do not like when transiting R Neptun is on my natal Black Moon.

Alphard conjunct Venus suggested that it was going to be a fair play with no cards. One who stands alone obviously was not the referee.

Janis Valkovskis wrote:What I said about Neptun's, Chiron's and Black

I'd say that it also had a lot to do with the german optimism. I'd say that they didn't believe that they could be stopped by anyone. And yet, Spain was much better. Many sports magazines have mentioned words "incredible", "unbelievable", "shocking". It sounds a lot like Neptune. Even Chiron, i agree.

Uruguay vs Germany
10 July 2010
20:30 Port Elizabeth
ASC=27Aq56

As "home" team Uruguay will wear blue/black sport kit so they are represent with ASC and ruler Sa. Sa is on last degree, sign of misfortune for Uruguay. Again we do not have much difference regarding accidental or essential dignities. There are no Moon's aspect within 5 degrees, so "nothing" happen in this chart except that ruler on last degree. As Germany is favorite that usually means what is expected will happen, i.e Germany will win.

aglaya wrote:

I expect that, on Sunday, the Spanish team will be wearing the away deep-blue kit which means that that the Dutch team will be in the colours of the Sun. If I'm not making a mistake, Spain is ruled by Aquarius which just might give it the Descendant in this chart but for some reason I find it hard to see it that way!

So do I. Surely the chart for the final is Aquarius Rising/Scorpio MC no? Spain should definitely be assigned the Ascendant IMO for mundane reasons irrespective of colours or being favourite!
You see a lot of traditional sources such as William Lilly linking Spain to the sign of Sagittarius. However, I agree there is an Aquarian link to Spain. Here is bit of a post I wrote before the tournament started in the original World Cup thread:

Another national chart that seems to resonate well is Spain. The Scorpio MC ,Mercury and the Sun in the Spanish national chart (1975) conjunct the MC for the final. The chart has the same signs on the angles (Aquarius Rising). Transiting Saturn (the ascendant ruler) will be forming a tight sextile to the radical Spanish Sun during the final. Jupiter is also in Aries in that chart. Moreover, the traditional chart used for Spain (1479) also has Aquarius rising and a late Scorpio MC.

Hi, mark.

Yes, the the Ascendant is at 28.52 Aquarius, Placidus puts the MC at 27.20 Scorpio.

You see a lot of traditional sources such as William Lilly linking Spain to the sign of Sagittarius. However, I agree there is an Aquarian link to Spain.

I saw your post a few days ago and, though I'm aware that Lilly puts Spain under the rulership of Jupiter, I thought that the Ascendant ruler made more sense. The ruler of the modern chart (1975.) puts the Ascendant into Aquarius and, like you already said, the traditional chart also puts there. (Why did Lilly decide to put it under the rulership of Jupiter?)
Just this morning I compared the national charts with the chart cast for the time of ther final match and, you're right, it looks very promising. (Yes, i support La Furia Roja ).
But, if we give the Ascendant and Saturn to Spain, the situation just doesn't look so promising any more (at least not to me). In the last chart that we discussed (Germany/Spain), Spain got the Descendant and I was pretty sure that, although above the horizon, Saturn inside the 8th would not bring any good to the German team. Saturn is at the 8th cusp in this chart too, neptune stays on the Ascendant and I don't think that it looks too good for the team represented by the radical 1st. At the same time, we have some very good promises in the spanish national chart for this evening.
I'm actually trying to find enough reasons to put Spain into the 7th, I have to admit. The Dutch team may be wearing orange shirts but to me, Spain is the Lioness.

Still, the New Moon keeps confusing me.

Hi Marc,
If there is any country that is doubtless 100% Uranian then it is the Netherlands - look at its culture, traditons, history.... Spain is mainly SAG, partly CAPR - traditionally a strong Saturn.
Orange is the only colour that can be matched with AQU.

Being so totally absorbed with Uranian feeling they will hardly be able to cope with the SAT/UR opposition getting increasingly more accurate.
Great expectations in Holland - but the disappointment will follow soon:


http://www.astrologie.ws/ned.htm (caution - Koch houses)

NE is conj. MC state chart (1815) - exact conjunction.
The latest Moon eclipse was con. AC/DC - SUN con. AC. Not a good sign.
The Nodes are approaching the node-axis in the radix-chart - not a good sign again.
To the end of the game the sun eclipse will be exact - opp Mars, Mars ruling house eleven (Pacidus).

"Oranje boven?" Octopus Paul has just said "no". Spain will be the winner - Holland once again "no 2".

Lunlumo wrote: NE is conj. MC state chart (1815) - exact conjunction.

This could be supportive of the Neptune/Ascendant conjunction promise in the event chart only, like MarkC, I'm not sure as to how smart it is to assign the opposite side of the axis to a team coming from the country ruled by Aquarius. The national chart of Holland (1581) even has a Leo Sun.
Of course, at the same time, I would really love to see the the Spanish players holding that trophy.


Of course, it is worth keeping in mind that the chart from the 1581. is actually a 'noon time' chart - we have the date but not the exact moment. The position of the MC is questionable!

Great expectations in Holland - but the disappointment will follow soon.

That was exactly my prognosis before the second semi-final match. And it is what happened to germany. That is why I hate the idea of Spain getting the radical 1st in this chart!