13 by Mark None in particular. This and the piece about eclipses are just personal observation and opinion. Fine with me. Its ok I wont tell Margherita. It is hard to cast a chart for the exact conjunction of mars and saturn! So I started to think what the ancients would do, and of course they would look for a chart that could "materialize" the effects of the conjunction, the same way they did with ingresses and the great conjunctions. Sounds reasonable. Its interesting that many Arab and medieval authorities thought these kind of conjunctions created the conditions for comets to form. Mark As thou conversest with the heavens, so instruct and inform thy minde according to the image of Divinity William Lilly Quote Tue Aug 10, 2010 9:21 pm