Mark,

Some of the Postal Votes are from outlying areas and some overseas. I dont know the cut off point for Postal Votes.

The latest news is based on the flow of Postal Votes and other outstanding votes: 72 seats go to Labour and 72 seats go to Liberal so a hung Parliament with four Independents and one Green. As yet no one knows how this will work out.

It appears to be just so inconclusive over all.

Our voting system is the same over the country and doesnt vary from State to State. We do get to choose who we want and who we dont want. The overall vote was 500,000 more for Tony Abbott before preferences kick in.

A birth time of 11.54 am is being used for Julia Gillard atm and there is a time for Tony Abbott I will try to find.

Julie K

ABC News now reports that all 150 seats in the Australian Parliament have been decided. Although postal votes are still being counted all the keys seats that were in doubt are now resolved

The final count for the Federal Parliament seats is as follows:

Coalition: 73

Labor: 72

Greens: 1

Independents: 4

Since the Greens MP has already declared he will support Labor the two main parties can currently call on 73 votes. However, both parties are three seats short of forming a majority in the lower house. The focus has already shifted to negotiations with the remaining 4 Independents. Here is an article on them all and the one Green.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010 ... 990081.htm

Our voting system is the same over the country and doesnt vary from State to State.

That is not correct at state election level though.

http://www.dfat.gov.au/facts/electoral_system.html

For example, Tasmania elects its state assembly with the Single Transferable vote system (aka Hare-Clark system in Australia) which is the same system used to elect the Federal Senate. The Upper houses in New South Wales, Victoria, Western Australia and the unicameral Federal capital assembly also use Single Transferable Vote (aka Hare-Clark system in Australia) All the other states use the preferential voting system without proportional representation at lower house level. Moreover, Queensland, Northern Territory and ACT have only unicameral assemblies while the other states have upper and lower houses like the Federal Parliament.

We do get to choose who we want and who we dont want.

mmm I would question that. The preferentional voting system does give that impression because you have multiple choices and the least popular candidates are eliminated and their support tranferred to other candidates. However, I doubt if you were a Greens voter you would be saying that! The current electoral system favours the two big parties in the lower house. Based on primary share of the vote they dont really deserve the amount of seats they get. Using the same system followed in the Senate the lower house would have returned approximately 17 Greens.

Its true the preferential system does ensure the least unpopular candidate has the best chance. However it can produce quite bizarre results. For example candidates that start 3rd most popular can end up winning a seat. One of the independents just did this with only 21% of the popular vote on first preferences votes. It would make more sense to have multi-member constituencies for all elections. If Australia is becoming a three party country this will need to be considered in the long term or a lot of voters will be disenfranchised in terms of their primary vote.

A birth time of 11.54 am is being used for Julia Gillard atm and there is a time for Tony Abbott I will try to find.

Thanks Julie,

I would welcome the data and the sources. Even though it means deleting all the charts I have previously displayed on Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott.

Mark

Mark,

Julia Gillard's time of birth was said to be 'around midday' by her mother. This cannot be substanciated atm and was gained via a friend then rectified by several Australian Astrologers.

Tony Abbott's time of birth is not available and the time of 11.54 am is speculative atm. His academic achievements and time spent in the priesthood would suggest a strong 9th House ruler and/or Planetary placements there.

Some Postal Votes for ex-pats are from places such as Niger, Congo, etc and are avaibale on requerst from the High Commissioners for these countries. The cut off date for a postal vote was August 19th so a delay could be expected for these votes to be delivered back to the High Commissioner then sent on to Australia.

As things stand now Labor has 72 votes, Coalition 73, Independents 4, Greens 1.

The majority of the Constituants of the Independents are asking that Tony Abbott, the Leader Coalition Party be given their support. This is still to be worked out, so as it now stands a stalemate exists. Plus Labor may request a re-count of the Boothby Electorate booths in Victoria next week.

Julie K

Julia Gillard's time of birth was said to be 'around midday' by her mother. This cannot be substanciated atm and was gained via a friend then rectified by several Australian Astrologers.

Tony Abbott's time of birth is not available and the time of 11.54 am is speculative atm. His academic achievements and time spent in the priesthood would suggest a strong 9th House ruler and/or Planetary placements there.

Unfortunately, that might vary depending on which house system is used. Anyway, it appears the charts displayed were ok as there are no verified times for either candidate. The noon chart I have displayed for Julia Gillard seems as good as anything else considering the Mother's statement. Anonymous, tip off from 'friends' is not a reliable enough source for me. How many non-astrologers discuss their exact time of birth with a friend?

As things stand now Labor has 72 votes, Coalition 73, Independents 4, Greens 1.

Yes I thought I already posted this above. However, its questionable whether the Coalition should really be counted on 73 seats. Tony Crook from the Western Australian Nationals has stated he will sit on the crossbenches rather than with the coalition.

I cannot think of a more arithmetically 'hung' parliament than this. The term 'stalemate' sounds exactly right.

Mark,

{As things stand now Labor has 72 votes, Coalition 73, Independents 4, Greens 1. }:???:

Forgive me - I am becoming weary and wary at one and the same time atm. The Independents are yet to make their choices.

The approach to the main contenders chart times are best taken as 12.01 pm. Mothers are often unaware of the actual birth time of their child.

Julie K

Forgive me - I am becoming weary and wary at one and the same time atm.

Yes I know what you mean. Looks like these negotiations could drag on for a while and I am going give up the amateur punditry and wait and see like everyone else.

The Independents are yet to make their choices.

They living up to their title!

The approach to the main contenders chart times are best taken as 12.01 pm.

Why that rather than 12.00 I have already displayed? Its clearly not an exact time in either case and the difference between the two seems negligible for the most part.

Mothers are often unaware of the actual birth time of their child.

Indeed! You might think as they were inevitably there for the birth they would be quite reliable. As a man I can only speculate but I imagine giving birth is a tad distracting! An astrologer in my group said to me she had planned to time her birth but when the moment came it was all too much. Being a wise lady though she also brought a friend along as astrological back up! In one chart I was working on the woman stated her Mother said she was born at 8.00pm. It turned out to be 8.00am! Fortunately, birth times are recorded in Scotland so we can double check such times suggested by a Mother. So yes I do take time given by Mothers with a pinch of salt.

Hi Julie and Mark

Hard to believe, but Tony Abbott's wife is my first cousin, Margaret, and I have been in communication with her regarding Tony's birth time. She will ask his parents next time she sees them.

I will let you know if they have the data or not (that's if he is happy to release it if and when he finds out. Fingers crossed!).

Thanks
Tracey

Mark,

The only reason I choose 12.01 am or pm is that this appears to be less confusing to many. The impact on the chart is minimal. Sheep and goats thingy.

Today the birth time is now noted more frequently. I knew the birth times of my children as there was a clock clearly visible to me plus the times were noted on the cards placed on the front of the cribs.

Tracey,

Astrologers would love to see a birth time for Tony that we can work on with real confidence.

Julie K

Julie, that's what I am trying to impress on Marg...she understands and will do her best. I just hope she doesn't forget to ask in all the busyness. Will let you know either way...at least if he does not give to me, you will know that any other times are completely speculative

Tracey

And just to clarify, I live in New Zealand and knew hardly anything about the political side of things until he became leader of the Opposition. My cousin is just my cousin! She happened to meet him on a trip over there. They've come a long way since I attended their wedding back in the '80's!

Kind regards
Tracey

Julie K wrote:Mark,

Julia Gillard's time of birth was said to be 'around midday' by her mother. This cannot be substanciated atm and was gained via a friend then rectified by several Australian Astrologers.

Julie K

Australian Astrologer Jill Amery has an aunt who knows Julia Gillard's parents. On Jill's instigation she asked the parents Julia's time of birth. The mother answered 'around 12.00 noon'.

If this time is near correct then the time of 11.50-52 am is the most likely. Three astrologers, Jill Amery, Ed Tamplin and myself all independently came to this same time.

RE: the chart for the Federal Liberal Party. This Party was formally announced to House of Representatives on 21 February 1945. The Parliament convened at 3.00 pm and this was the 8th item on the Agenda, putting the likely time of the announcement around 5.15 - 5.30 pm.

On the 14-16 December 1944, Non Labor people meet at Albury to form a new non-Labor Party ? The Liberal Party of Australia. The meeting formally agreed on the structure of the Party, adopted a provisional Federal constitution and appointed an interim Federal Executive. Only five years later, on December 10, 1949 the Liberal Party, in coalition with the Country Party, was elected to govern the country. Robert Menzies (later Sir Robert) served more than 16 consecutive years as Prime Minister, the longest period to date.

I don?t have the time when the Provisional Federal Constitution was agreed upon or when the interim Federal Executive was appointed. I think the appointment of the Federal Executive would mark the correct time for this chart and this was likely to be on the last day of the Conference on the 16th December 1944. This date provides strong connections to all of Australia?s charts.

Note that when the Liberal Party won its first election on 10th December 1949, the Secondary Progressed Sun of this chart was conjunct the MC of the Birth of Australia chart (26th January 1788, 5.23 am, Sydney, Australia source Ed Tamplin).

Re: Federal Labor Party. I agree that the Federal Caucus chart of 8th May 1901 best describes the current Labor Party as this was the first official meeting of the Labor Caucus. You can gain more information here: http://australianpolitics.com/parties/a ... ding.shtml

Interestingly I sourced another possible date: As far as I can discover, the Federal Labor Party itself was formed on the 31st December 1900, Sydney, in the evening ? the day before the Commonwealth of Australia became official. I think the time was 6.55 pm, but can?t find where I got that information. http://laborhistory.org.au/home.html#timeline

Today Andrew Wilke, an Independent MP from Hobart, announced he will back Julia Gillard in forming a minority Government. Together with the Green MP, this gives Labor 74 seats, so they need two more to form government. The other three Independents have not as yet made up their minds.

The Independents have released a Treasury analysis that showed a $7 billion to $11 billion shortfall in the Coalition's election policy costings (basically they lied!) and I think this will strongly influence their decisions.