This is my attempt. I didn?t read other people?s interpretations, for I wanted this to be my first sight analysis. Sorry if I?m repeating things other people have already said.


Will she keep her position?

She will keep her job (Saturn, lord of the VI, is in the 1st), but is Retro, and will not make the trine with Mercury (querent) until Mercury ends its retro motion, goes back direct, and the same thing happens with Saturn: the final trine shows she will keep the job, but the retro motion both the querent and the job are facing suggests a pay cut.
The moon will trine with Saturn (she keeping the job), but the Moon conjuncts Algol (the querent is not powerful enough to put pressure on the company to maintain her wage).


Relationship with the boss?

I believe it will improve, given that Mercury (both the boss ?lord of the 10th- and the querent) is disposited by Venus at home in Taurus. Venus, being the natural planet of harmonic relations, also show both the boss and the querent share common interests (money ?taurus-), and it is probable that the boss will also undergo difficult times in terms of work.

Co worker sacked?

The co worker looks strong being Jupiter in the VII. The job (lord of the XII, the VI from the VII), and having the Sun (job) in his second, also strong by sign. It is possible, however, that the coworker will be transferred or moved from the place he and the querent are working, for the last aspect Jupiter performs in the opposition with Saturn (the querent?s work).

Have a good one.

Ok, let's give it a try

I haven't read what everybody else wrote, so please pardon me the repetitions which will surely occur.

Mercury - lord of the 10th, the job
Venus - the boss(the ruler of the job)
The Moon - the querent
Jupiter - the nasty co-worker

1. will she keep her position or will it change (be cut back or eliminated)?

I think she will not keep her position, due to the following reasons: the Moon is cadent, opposite to its house of joy, very slow in motion (less than 13 deg 10') which makes her similar to a retrograde planet. She is posited on the most maleficent fixed star, Algol, and is in the terms of Saturn, actually on the way of leaving her fixed sign of exaltation, Taurus. Before she can do that, she will encounter Saturn himself by trine. This in my interpretation is pretty damaging for her because she is committing her disposition to an ill-disposed planet which cannot retain her light, but sends it back to her, resulting in misfortune and increased pressure because of her cadency. Furthermore, Saturn will not be receiving her when the trine perfects, which is another generally negative testimony.

The job itself is beset by problems, and this is reflected in the fact that Mercury is in aversion to his domicile and is also slowing down before his first station, which will bring him into a renewed square aspect with Mars in Leo - this I take as a main indicator of a future strife and the loss of job. Mars in Leo is in an angle from all the main significators (except for Jupiter) which is also damaging, according to Bonatti. Mars as a ruler of the 3rd(aggressive communication, sarcasm and the like) and the 8th(death) but posited in the 12th sign probably shows the loss of temper on the part of the querent which brings about the catastrophe in a sort of a self-undoing outburst of anger. Mercury, when alternatively taken to describe the querent, is most closely aspected by the out-of sect, peregrine Mars which happens to sit right on Praesaepe, of the Moon/Mars nature, adding fuel to the fire. With the Moon on Algol, the ascendant on Zosma(the ferocious Leo) and Mercury squared by Mars, I understand why she's described as "outspoken" moreover, Mars is also the exalted ruler of the 5th, which is 8th from the 10th(the "death" of the job).

Perhaps it is also important to note that the cusp of the 10th sits on another very violent, martian fixed star - Aldebaran. This certainly adds some more spice to the stew and since the nature of Mars and the mars-like stars is to sever, destroy, cut, etc., you get the picture. On the top of it all, Mars closely aspects the cusp of the 10th by dexter sextile. So there's a lot of martian stuff around this particular job - not so good.

The presence of the south node on the cusp of the 11th is a testimony of the cuts in salary, and we also shouldn't forget Mars in this regard, which happens to fall in the 11th by division. My guess is that the cut in salary ( the damaged11th) may represent the trigger for the outbreak of the argument(s), which then leads to the loss of the job. Mars is also hurting the lot of fortune in the 2nd(his aspect is within the three degree orb, hence co-present with the lot), although "only" by sextile. His being in the 11th from the POF testifies to the 'acquisition' of a martian kind of damage on the part of the querent's well-being. The Moon is also the ruler of the 11th(salary) and its position on Algol and in the terms of Saturn is also an additional strong testimony for obstacles and decrease regarding payment. I might add that because of the aspect with Saturn and the position in his terms, a part of the many or some salaries won't be payed on time, she may even have to wait for them after she had quit her job.
The presence of the retrograde malefic in the first is generally a negative omen.

2. Will she be able to maintain the peace with her boss?

I doubt it, for the above mentioned reasons. Although her boss is in my opinion represented by a highly dignified benefic, this doesn't mean that this woman is all nice and sweet - we already know she isn't. She is Venus in a fixed, stubborn Taurus which may make her highly opinionated, self-absorbed, selfish, authoritative, etc person. Now the fact that the Moon separates from her dispositor, which happens to be Venus, is another sign the things are probably going to go downhill regarding the relationship of the two. The existing mutual reception shows a kind of a tug-of war, where neither side is prepared to launch an open war; I mean, there seems to be a lot of mutual respect between the two in terms of acknowledging the strength and personality of the other,but that is about to change with the Moon's change of sign.

Ok, that's it for now. There remains one more question to be answered and I'll leave that for later.

Goran

3. will the strange co-worker finally be removed?

I'm not so sure what to think about this...Jupiter is in its own domicile and angular, oriental, in its sect, with the Sun above the horizon, Venus receives him in her exaltation and there's an applying sextile, the boss being represented by a faster moving planet. It seems to me she is pretty open-minded and liberal when it comes to his 'strangeness' and is ready to receive him back to work, at least for the near future.

One more thing I wanted to add concerning the appearance of the female - boss (Venus) but forgot to mention it in the previous post - she is described as an obese woman. Now it is very fitting to find this Jupiter in almost an exact sextile with Venus, indicating the tendency (among other things) to physical 'expansion'. This is underscored, in my opinion, by Jupiter in a watery, phlegmatic sign, which generally describe people prone to self-indulgence and passivity; the influence of Jupiter makes her at the same time very self-righteous, bossy, prone to dramatizing, even arrogant.

The only thing that might spoil the fun to him is this approaching opposition to Saturn from Virgo, and that may bring additional restrictions/problems for him, since Saturn rules his 12th (self undoing, isolation, prison?). About the time of this opposition (the second half of May) he might have done 'something' again, which caused him to be fired at the beginning of June, when Jupiter entered Aries and lost the control of his domicile (aversion). Since Saturn is posited in the 1st, and has a testimony there by term(Egyptian set) he may to an extent serve as a co-significator of the querent. The opposition happens o the axis 1st - 7th houses, so I suspect that it came to a sort of 'fight' or 'open hostility' - like situation between him and the querent, which didn't serve him well (Saturn as the ruler of his 12th).

Since he is angular and oriental, the co-worker's actions and deeds just attract attention and cannot remain low-profile; on another hand, being represented by this over indulgent, watery Jupiter that loses the sense for the appropriate/boundaries all to easily, he isn't even much concerned about the opinion of others - in his own eyes, he is the ruler of the world, unable to make(big/unpardonable) mistakes and everybody should see it that way; if they don't/can't - well, then everything is actually THEIR problem

In the end, the ruler of the preceding syzygy in Aries is Mars in Leo. His condition and role in this horary are pretty negative, and that is one more testimony the things didn't turn out well for the querent in the end. At the very best, she experienced 'only' significant cuts in her salary, but as I've already explained, I doubt it remained only at that. She eventually lost her job as well.


Ok, so now I can't wait to hear what really transpired

Greetings,
Goran

Okay, I tried to post a response, a long analytical one, but I guess it just did not post, maybe there was a timeout or something.

Anyway, here is a synopsis, as I'm running out of time---

1. She will keep the job, but the pay will be reduced. Mercury is in his own terms and applying to Venus-Moon, both dignitaries of Taurus. Both are also in terms of Saturn, which is retrograde and in fall in 1st, both rule 2nd and 11th('money from the position'). Both are square Neptune in 6th, however so she will probably leave eventually due to the mental stress of a power struggle.

2. Taurus placements suggest peaceful nature, but not in mind--Mars in 12th(Whole Signs Equal) and Neptune in Aquarius squares suggest mental struggles.

3. He will be fired. Mars is in terms of Mercury, as is Mercury himself, and this will happen while he is on suspension.

Hope this works. I apologize for the very brief response but as I said I am out of time and somehow I failed to post my original response.

Maybe it's just me....

These past few days I've been starting to think... because most of us are in broad agreement.... that we've really mucked this one up!

I've been trying to go back over it and think 'what have I missed here...' especially something obvious, hidden in plain sight!

Hi Handn

I think the real lesson in this horary is to always be aware of the planetary cycles of the significators. For example, the judgement of the chart could be completely wrong, if it isn't noticed that Mercury is about to retrograde and return to the square of Mars. Once that is noticed, I think it is obvious that the querent still has some problems to work through.

I have just uploaded the PDF file with the full chart details and Tanit's judgement. Again, I think this is a very good, clear demonstration of why Tanit came to the judgement that she did.

http://horary.co/pdf/prof1_full.pdf (direct link to PDF file)

It would be great to get a bit more post-revelation analysis and discussion on this chart. I'm wondering if this situation has fully played out yet.

Regards
Deb

I'm wondering if this situation has fully played out yet.

Yes, I suspect Saturn retro in the 1st will have some more to say.

Others wondered about the 9th house, and I think it might relate to the nature of the job itself. The job has independent authority, so they have a legal right to treat their employees however they choose. She has to do what they say or she will lose her job quite easily. I also hope that my warnings to keep her temper in check is part of the 9th house placement - using her own wisdom (or remembering the horary) to keep the peace. That appears to be the case so far because she has had at least one other issue on the job recently (last month) involving management where she behaved very well.

I do wonder if it may eventually end badly, or hopefully she might reach a point where she decides to leave on her own. She's been there for many years, and is a bit reluctant to change (probably also the Taurus indicators), so I suspect it might be by force more so than choice. I guess tough economic times also make people do what they can to get by.

Deb:

I'm wondering if this situation has fully played out yet.

I second that

What puzzles me the most is the fact she hasn't experienced any cuts in her salary, although the preponderance of testimonies seem to lead to such a conclusion

Goran

Well the 2nd house isn't afflicted and its ruler is strong essentially, so maybe the pay is not the real issue. From the way it has been described the querent seems to be unhappier than she was, and is settling for less, which is probably a wise move for now because the chart doesn't show her as having viable alternatives to explore in the short term. But it doesn't describe a position that suits her either - it seems like she has had to accept a compromise to keep her job.

Thanks Tanit and Deb, that was really interesting and useful!

One thing I was 'waiting' on was what signification would be used for the boss 'cos it kind of stumped me. Obviously a judgement was reached without even needing to differentiate exactly who the boss was but, if needed, what signification would someone use in this horary? Or is it simply a matter of determining the answer to the question introducing as few variables as possible along the way?

Like everyone else I was expecting a pay cut, I guess the strong dignity and perhaps pof as well were telling us otherwise all along, and I wonder if in fact we all 'projected' into the chart general fears and worries about finances that naturally are occurring due to the recession. We almost expect someone to have a pay cut in their working field, despite the chart quite clearly indicating strong essential dignity etc for the second house.

Paul,

In my first posting(which apparently I was unable to post)--I put the boss in the 7th House, as the principle person with whom the querent was apparently dealing in the situation. In fact, we can see Pisces as having a hand in each question--Neptune in 6th in Aquarius a)fear of unemployment in the first question b)the querent thinking her boss is 'crazy' or unstable in the second and c)the other employee's misbehavior due to drug use in the third, and his possible unemployment. Each one seems to hinge on a decision of the boss, which I put in 7th. 7th is also the 10th from the 10th, so if her concern was initially for her position, 10th would be the query house, and perhaps the boss can be 'shoved' into the 7th.

I am a 'modernist' by the way(for lack of a better term, and I am loth to 'lump' myself in with a group), however I respect traditional techniques as well.

Tanit wrote:

Others wondered about the 9th house, and I think it might relate to the nature of the job itself. The job has independent authority, so they have a legal right to treat their employees however they choose. She has to do what they say or she will lose her job quite easily. I also hope that my warnings to keep her temper in check is part of the 9th house placement - using her own wisdom (or remembering the horary) to keep the peace.

Another reason those main significators might be in the 9th is that the querent and her coworkers, like any group of oppressed people in a workplace, were basically just seeking some justice first and foremost.

Also, regarding the role Mars plays, it's interesting that it's in the 11th (friends), comes from the 3rd (communication/information) with Scorpio on the cusp, and was right about on the cusp of the 12th (secrets/self-undoing) by the time it squared Mercury the 2nd time.

This seems to coincide with the boss's anger over the confidential information the friend had told her (inadvertently implicating the querent), which seemed to do the most damage as far as making the querent's working conditions and her relationship with her boss even worse.