Thanks so much for the generous quotes Tanit. They are helping me very much with my School Governor election chart. Your description of ill-dignified sun does describe my sun querent to some extent. He is causing the combustion to the saturn opposition/other candidates so the chart is reversed.

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Also, are others allowed to take money from her registers and does she only work with this one person?

How clever you asked that. They are not really supposed to use others registers but there are instances where they share registers. She told me once she went to the back room to eat her breakfast and she came out ten minutes later, she opened her register and saw her bills face down instad of face up. she has a mild OCD about her bills are always face up, its wierd but that her thing! but she didn't ask who it was she assumed it was her supervisor because he was standing by her register.
the man she suspects is taking her money works from 5-10 am, she works from 7-12, and there are other 3 that come in plus a supervisor. so its a big group working. but she suspects him most of all.

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Obviously a combust querent is also a "Consideration," or someone who cannot listen to reason or be "regulated." It doesn't always indicate that they fear or are powerless by someone, but perhaps they are blinded by their own prejudices before attempting to ask the question? I would think the coworker is 7th house, which makes it difficult to assign a thief, as they are also 7th house.

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this is very interesting because it never crossed my mind that a cumbust person isnt about being powerless but not listening and not seeing other possibilities. i even tried to point out to her when i saw this chart one night who others could take it. she was naive saying she is friendly with all and "trusts" everyone.

Tanit wrote: I am wondering why they (querent/quesited) are also intercepted in a sign of Venus, and Venus rules the 4th house (location of the missing item). Venus is in detrimented (damaged or has been messed with though?) with the 10th ruler in the 9th (or turned 12th from the 10th). You'd think Venus would show where the money is kept and that it is with the main boss person, maybe in a safe or somwhere away from the cash registers?

this is interesting. I wndered myself what house would be the safe or where the money was going. she doesnt have the combination of the safe. the safe is where the drawers are put then the supervisor opens the safe and assigns the drawers. not all people get drawers usually 2-3 then 1 or 2 are assigned to the bar to make drinks their whole shift.
each drawer has to have 115.00 dollars to start with.
there are probably others who know the safe combination and took money out of the drawer. she sometimes doesnt even count the drawer before the shift starts because she just assumes it has a 115.00 and this problem never occured before! i will let her know to always count her drawer before her shift start because it wqas probably short of money to begin with.

Perhaps there isn't so much malevolence in either the Sun's application to a conjunction of Saturn or the Moon's application to a square to Mercury. I think, if we observe closely the various levels of reception involved in the entire scheme, this would be clear.

I use Whole Signs Equal Houses. Thus the employer's money goes into the 11th House, and Jupiter rules it. Work associates I put into the 8th House(11th from 10th), so Mercury rules the associate. I think this jibes well with the 7th House cusp, as it is placed in Mercury's term in Leo. Mercury is in his own face and sign, so he is hardly peregrine. Mercury and Jupiter are opposite each other, and certainly not in any dignity of each other, so I don't think that the associate referred to is the thief. I can't seem to link the Sun with Jupiter--the Sun would rule the associate as 'person'--Jupiter is in no dignity of the Sun, and the Sun is not in any dignity of Jupiter(except incidentally in the 9th--which could just put him 'under suspicion'). True, Sun is peregrine essentially, and is combusting Saturn, which rules the 12th House, and, traditionally, the querent. Combustion in the 9th House can produce all kinds of theatrics. She is all over the map about this. I can see that both are in fear in this situation.
Let me suggest another scenario. I'm going to use Uranus as ruler of Aquarius, which may irritate some. Uranus is in the 2nd House, his fall. Uranus and Jupiter are conjunct. She just took a long vacation. Would it stand to reason, especially given the recent Venus strains, that she may be out some money?? Could it be that the querent stole the money, and is trying to implicate the new guy?
Even without Uranus, Jupiter is in Saturn's term. The money, Jupiter, still seems more under the querent's control than the associate's. Plus, I don't get that she likes this guy.
Okay, I'll shut off the sensationalism.

Astrowin - it's interesting that you mentioned Mercury as his possible sig because Mercury in Virgo seems like a college student to me. However, I still think it is primarily the money, especially since Lilly says it is a sig for money.

Perhaps there isn't so much malevolence in either the Sun's application to a conjunction of Saturn or the Moon's application to a square to Mercury. I think, if we observe closely the various levels of reception involved in the entire scheme, this would be clear.

I'm not even sure if we can talk about reception here because this is combustion, and such light is unlikely to be receptive in any dignity for either party? When we look at say Moon-Sun trines, reception is probably not even necessary because the Sun's light is so benefic.

If we do look at it as some sort of perfection of a matter, Saturn receiving Sun would increase the "malefic" qualities of the combustion, IMO. Saturn welcomes the applying combustion of an also ill-dignified Sun (the Sun is always malefic in conjunction but the fall debility would likely add to that), or receives it. Sun is committing a poor disposition onto Saturn, although combustion would likely destroy a matter versus really commit something that Saturn can do something with. You don't want to receive something that is malefic, you want to be received so that it does not harm you or that it doesn't do something that defeats your purpose in the question. Deb has talked about this before with reception. When you receive something, it has free reign to wreck havoc if it chooses to (if it is malefic). You act as host to a monster. When it receives you, you might escape danger, etc.

Hello

An interesting chart, and yes, a delicate, sensitive situation! I'll post some thoughts, but I can't claim to have anything too solid to offer, so sorry that these are rambling.

Picking up on the mentions already given to Venus, one thing that hasn't been mentioned is its speed. Venus is about to stop and go in reverse, and at the time of the horary casting it was moving very slowly, at less than a fifth of its average daily speed. Since it disposes of the main significators, and the part of fortune, and conjoins the 10th-ruler in the sign of the 10th ruler, which it's already conjoined (though that was in Libra, not Scorpio) but is about to return to, I think there's some meaning to it in terms of what's going to happen next.

I think that the two main sigs, Sun and Saturn, sitting in the same sign, same house, and conjoined is similarly descriptive, and the conjunction being applying suggests that he's moving towards a meeting with her somehow. They seem very intertwined, don't they? He's signified by a natural benefic, currently acting or able to act as a malefic, and for her it's vice versa... she's represented by a natural malefic currently able to act more as a benefic. Very curious!

Saturn ruling the hour highlights the querent's involvement IMO; perhaps she can shape the situation more productively and 'pro-actively' than she has been up until now.

I think retro Neptune sitting in the 1st shows the querent under the influence of confusion and doubt. IMO it could mean she needs to work on becoming clearer and more defined/distinct in her own mind and her own actions, and to be careful about contributing to the confusion.

Mercury in both Placidus and Regio is sitting right on the cusp of the 8th, shouting something. But what? Whilst Mercury obviously rules the 8th and 5th and disposes of the Moon in Gemini, even when at its best Mercury is always a bit of a trickster isn't it? In Virgo a very organized and fastidious one! I get the impression from this that the facts of the matter aren't quite ordered and sorted out.

Moon in Gemini squaring Mercury and then Neptune, Jupiter and Uranus says something about the quality of information, especially since that slow/debilitated Venus rules the 3rd. I think these things mean getting the facts in order is critical.

Intriguing comments about the 2nd and 8th rulers being in their own houses and the money being where it should be. The main sig's dispositor (Venus) being conjoined with the 10th-ruler maybe shows the resources/support of the boss/business in this 'other people's money' (8th) situation. Obviously something's going on with that because of Venus's slow motion and conjunction with Mars. Maybe it just means that it's going to need the involvement of the boss to sort it out; perhaps the boss has information that would clear it all up, but which the querent is unaware of at present.

It's more of an aside but I think the nodes on the 6th and 12th shows something weakening going on, something 'fatalistic', maybe a passivity or slackness, just like the Neptune in the 1st.

Sun, Mercury and Saturn are all linked by contrantiscia. Some indirect exchange going on between them? Maybe they should just talk up front?

Regards

H.

Hello All.
The following conclusion has been enabled by your insightful and instructive discussion of the matter:
The money is neither stolen nor lost. The querent is in error. The co-worker is not a thief. The situation will resolve itself on the 7th of October rather harmoniously. It will involve a superior who is in charge of cash in the place.
Thanks.
:-)

update: today the questiested did not show up for work, he called out sick. The querent counted her drawer at the end of her shift, and was even! Not a cent short! This arroused her suspicions even more. The first time he calls out from work, her drawer is correct? She feels smells something fishy!
Ezra: thanks for that date, I will update what happens on that day.

The more I read others comments the more I feel she really was in error though , its making sense, horary wise at least. But I will wait and see what happens the coming week. If she is even the entire week, and more careful with handling the money then I conclude it was her mistakes, her head was in the clouds. like handn says, "...I think the nodes on the 6th and 12th shows something weakening going on, something 'fatalistic', maybe a passivity or slackness, just like the Neptune in the 1st. "...unless I am reading that sentence the wrong way.

about her boss. she told me she is not involvig her boss. because when someone is short of money they all will automatically look at it as your fault! she paid twice or thrice out of pocket so far (with all her tip money she made during her shift). so she is obsviously honest person. she reported the first time she was -18.00 dollars, and was documented and written up, its a pretty big deal at her job to be short over 2 dollars!

AquariusMoonPerson

Is there no CCTV over the cash desk?
I used to work for a clothing retailer and if we were down on money regularly from the same till or from the same person working a shift we would simply fast forward through the CCTV until they were opening till and then check to see if anything dodgy is going on.

Other things we used to have to do was ensure we were carrying no money on our person whatsoever, our wallets or bags with money must be kept in the office or in a locker. Then we would be subjected to random pocket searches and any money found on our person would be deemed suspicious. Another thing to look out for was the one penny trick. Where the thief would keep one penny out of his/her till. Reason being that most things cost ?X.99p, say ?19.99, so when the customer hands a ?20 note you pretend to put it into the till, secretly pocket it, and have their 1p change ready to hand back.

If this all seems draconian, it was common practice where I worked which was a fashionable high street clothing retailer and I think a lot of other businesses did it too. Might be worth checking CCTV anyway, or perhaps requesting to do a till check at the beginning of her shift and that nobody else use it as she's been down a few times. She coudl say it to her boss and explain she's been compensating it out of her own money but that he should be aware of it as it's happening too often now.

Paul - I was wondering the same thing. I have never worked with money, but I know others who have and whenever money comes up missing, they find it on the camera. Usually it is not via theft, but a mistake.

The first time he calls out from work, her drawer is correct? She smells something fishy!

But she's only been short 2-3 times? So it still seems premature to mark this as an indication of theft, as there have been days where he is there and she is not short also.

Hopefully she will just start to be more careful of what money is there to start the day, and to watch the register throughout the day. Even if no one is stealing, she can be more watchful of her own mistakes.