Hello Fi,

?I'd be interested to know where you think this "need" comes from??

Need/want/will ? why does anything come to ?be? , or is brought into ?being??

Belief ? be + lief (love, or dear etc). And ?lief? as a lexigram for ?life??

?Lief:-O.E. leof "dear," from P.Gmc. *leubo- (cf. O.N. ljutr, O.Fris. liaf, O.H.G. liob, Ger. lieb, Goth. liufs "dear, beloved"), from PIE base *leubh- "love" (see love). A most useful word, now, alas, all but extinct. Want and love are overworked and misused to fill the hole left in the language when this word faded in 17c.?

Belief = be + love; be + dear ? or lief/life ? be + life.

Where there?s ?be? ? there?s usually a lief-love-dear-life somewhere around.

?Being is simply being.?

Yes, and something occurred at some point that brought "being" into "being".

Andrew, I like this one too:

"I don't believe in anything." (Krishnamurti)

A belief in no thing ? perhaps the no thing that is one thing?

?TS ? whatever it is you?re taking, I think you need to stop??

Aaargh, does that mean no more truly transcendental pies (pi's)!!!
Well, guess that puts paid to pi in the sky ? but sometimes it?s good to look up, yes?

?Fi (who is getting back to her footie charts for a little light relief)?

Oops, maybe I shouldn?t have mentioned anything about pies.

?? this goose is cooked!?

Uh-oh. Isn?t there a law around somewhere that prohibits this? Just a wild guess, but perhaps the cooked goose is more a phoenix in disguise ?

Thanks Sungem. It?s been both illuminating and a joy.

In appreciation,
TS

Hi Sungem

England has television polls to rewrite the 10 Commandments. The mind boggles.

LOL! Yeah, apparently they reckoned the original commandments were irrelevant nowadays. They kept in a few of the old ones, but not many.

so you don?t believe in anything except a major Chinese religion.

Gawd! ? next you?ll be telling me you believe in astrology!

Perish the thought! As Noel Tyl said, astrology isn't something to believe in, it's something to know about. I reckon that applies to Taoism too (which is really more a philosophy than a religion).

? this goose is cooked!

Thanks for the discussion, Sungem.

Cheers,
Fi

Hi TS

A most useful word, now, alas, all but extinct. Want and love are overworked and misused to fill the hole left in the language when this word faded in 17c

Very true. Interesting etymology TS, thanks

and something occurred at some point that brought "being" into "being".

Yes, and theories abound as to what that something might have been.

A belief in no thing ? perhaps the no thing that is one thing?

Ah, but he said he didn't believe in anything, not that he believed in nothing. A subtle difference, I think.

?Fi (who is getting back to her footie charts for a little light relief)?

Oops, maybe I shouldn?t have mentioned anything about pies.

It's ok, I can burn more than one pie at a time

Cheers,
Fi

Ah, but he said he didn't believe in anything, not that he believed in nothing. A subtle difference, I think.

You're a clever one, Ficina!

Hi Fi,

Ah, but he said he didn't believe in anything,"

... and if one doesn't believe in 'any' thing, one believes in 'no' thing ... the subtle difference being?

It's ok, I can burn more than one pie at a time

... yes, have occasionally managed that myself - might want to leave a window open!

Cheers,
TS

... and if one doesn't believe in 'any' thing, one believes in 'no' thing ... the subtle difference being?

Too subtle for me, TS I think my comment sounded more clever than it actually was, Andrew

Fi

Hello Fi,

Just a working hypothesis but perhaps the subtle difference lies in the nature of the ?thing?.

And my apologies, where I wrote: ?A belief in no thing ? perhaps the no thing that is one thing?? was really intended as:
?A belief in no thing ? perhaps the no thing that is the ?one? that surpasses all things??

Have I muddied the waters further? Again, my apologies if I have.
But it has been fun and I appreciated your sharing your thoughts ? it can be enjoyable stretching the grey matter a little further (and so can dodging pi?s!)

Warm regards,
TS.