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15 by Mark
Martin wrote:
The course will be in Swedish, so the above are translations. English-language texts are fine; but not so, alas, German, French, Italian, etc.
Astroart wrote:
I recommend you a books and articles from prof.Wolfgang H?bner-professor at the University of Munster. Most of them are in German.
As thou conversest with the heavens, so instruct and inform thy minde according to the image of Divinity William Lilly

16 by margherita
Mark wrote:Martin wrote:
The course will be in Swedish, so the above are translations. English-language texts are fine; but not so, alas, German, French, Italian, etc.
Astroart wrote:
I recommend you a books and articles from prof.Wolfgang H?bner-professor at the University of Munster. Most of them are in German.
I would always read Hubner, but unfortunately he writes in German, true :(

In every case for the little I saw between the two, on ancient constellations, I prefer Feraboli work, I collected EVERYTHING of her.

I believe it's a must read- especially her comment to Manilius paranatellonta.

Anyway she is out too, because the language.

margherita
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17 by Martin Gansten
Yes, I'm afraid it all has to be in English (or in Swedish/Danish/Norwegian, not that I expect to find much of relevance to the topic in these somewhat obscure tongues). If the course were limited to students with a working knowledge of German, not to mention Italian, I am not sure we would get a sufficient number of applications to get it off the ground.

18 by Martin Gansten
astroart wrote: info about prof. H?bner and his publications:

http://www.uni-muenster.de/KlassischePh ... index.html
I just noted that Wolfgang H?bner's title is given not only as Prof. Dr. but as Prof. Dr. Dr.! If this is not just a slip of the pen, it must be because of his honorary doctorate. Without meaning the slightest disrespect to anyone, I find this piling-up of titles profoundly humorous, in a quintessentially German way. :lol: (By way of contrast, I have seen many top-ranking British academics simply use Mr/Ms/Mrs.)
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19 by Olivia
It must be. I've a friend who went to Germany to do post-graduate work as well as teaching shortly after receiving his doctorate. He was terribly excited thinking that he'd finally get some respect and be referred to as 'Herr Doktor Professor', and mortified when everyone there referred to him as 'mein jungen herr' instead! Especially by shopkeepers and publicans when he was in the company of a 'Herr Doktor Professor' :)

I don't know if it's still true but at one time the Germans certainly took their titles very seriously.

20 by waybread
Mark, It looks like these works by Prof. H?bner are in English:

The Ptolemaic View of the Universe, Greek, Roman and Byzantine Studies 41 (2000), 59-93.

Religion in Geschichte und Gegenwart, 4T?bingen 2001, s.v. Gestirne (S. 875-876), englische ?bersetzung in: Religion past and present, Leiden ** (****), *** s.v. Constellations; s.v. Horoskop I (S. 1904-1905), englische ?bersetzung in: Religion past and present, Leiden VI (2009), 252-253.

["englische Uebersetzung" meaning "English translation"]

Sulla's Horoscope? (Firm. math. 6,31,1), in: Horoscopes and Public Spheres: Essays on the History of Astrology, hrsg. G?nther Oestmann, H. Darrel Rutkin, Kocku von Stuckrad, Berlin, al. 2005 (Religion and Society. 42)., 13-35.

New Dictionary of Scientific Biography 7 (2007), 111-113 s.v. Vettius Valens.

The Tropical Points of the Zodiacal Year and the Paranatellonta in Manilius' Astronomica, in: The Winding Courses of the Stars: Essays in Ancient Astrology, ed. Charles Burnett and Dorian Gieseler Greenbaum (= Culture and Cosmos 11, 2007), 87-109.

What an impressive c.v.! It really gives me hope that astrology will enter the academy via the humanities, with such inroads; not by knocking at the door of the sciences or psychology.

I deeply regret that my crummy German isn't up to the challenge of reading this scholar's works.

21 by SGFoxe
May I suggest you assign those passages in Herodotus where Cyrus' army conquers babylon and Daniel in the Old Testament. Specifically

Daniel, 5:1; 26-30sd; 6:29
Herodotus, Histories, 1:191

Which offers an explanation how Babylonia astrology was transmitted to the Persians (through Daniel, whom Cyrus appointed Chief Magus)

to be developed by the Magi (natal astrology & the Jupiter/Saturn synod) and then, after Alexander's conquest of Persia, released to the Hellenistic world.

22 by astroart
Martin,
I have a personal question for you.Because very few works of Persian writers from Sassanid Empire have survived until today(I know the names of only 4 authors-only partially preserved and only in arabic translations), do you have any information about translations of Persian authors from this period into Sanskrit?I mean books in t?jika or var?aphala branch of astrology, not a j?taka.

Good source in this area is :David Pingree, "From astral Omens to Astrology.From Babylon to B?k?ner", Roma, 1997
http://www.astro-art.com/

23 by Martin Gansten
astroart wrote:Because very few works of Persian writers from Sassanid Empire have survived until today(I know the names of only 4 authors-only partially preserved and only in arabic translations), do you have any information about translations of Persian authors from this period into Sanskrit?I mean books in t?jika or var?aphala branch of astrology, not a j?taka.
I most certainly do! :D And if I can only get some funding, I plan to do some rather extensive research in this area. For the time being, see my 'Sahl and the T?jika Yogas: Indian transformations of Arabic astrology' (co-authored with Ola Wikander) in Annals of Science (forthcoming).
Good source in this area is :David Pingree, "From astral Omens to Astrology.From Babylon to B?k?ner", Roma, 1997
It's about the only academic source to date, as far as I know (except for a few earlier snippets from Pingree here and there, some of which he corrected in this little volume). It's a fair start, though not without its mistakes.

24 by astroart
Martin,
I think that a very good source for your future studies in the field of t?jika system can be:

David Pingree, Catalogue of Jyoti?a Manuscripts in the Wellcome
Library. Sanskrit Astral and Mathematical Literature, Sir Henry
Wellcome Asian Series, Vol. 2, Leiden?Boston: Brill, 2004

There are many titles not only in j?taka branch, but in t?jika too.The Jyoti?a collection comprises nearly a thousand separate manuscripts on whose folia are represented more than 500 texts written by at least 250 authors. Many manuscripts are
copies of well-known texts, but some of them are rather rare.
http://www.astro-art.com/
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