13 by yuzuru Direct link to The translation of Mark T.Riley of Valens http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/Vet ... entire.pdf Last edited by yuzuru on Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:43 pm, edited 1 time in total. Meu blog de astrologia (em portugues) http://yuzuru.wordpress.com My blog of astrology (in english) http://episthemologie.wordpress.com Quote Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:36 pm
14 by Levente Laszlo Thanks, Yuzuru, now I also have it! Anyway, I'm embarrassed as neither the text given by James nor the link appears to me on the webpage. That's puzzling. Maybe Hungary has only an older version of Internet Quote Wed Dec 15, 2010 8:46 am
15 by Deb It's very difficult to find the link without following Jerd's instructions. I did a 'find on this page' using his text and got it just before Yuzuru posted. It's a shame that it doesn't have a clearer link, because this is so important I want to put a link to the text on the next home page update. I don't want to just link to the file as Yuzuru has done here because it seems discourteous to get the file without even visiting Mark Riley's website, so I'm going to link to this forum page instead (as I have done already on the Skyscript FB page). It's not ideal but anyone who values this text will read a few posts and then realise how to get it, so the little bit of time involved seems a low price to pay for such a great text. I hope Mark Riley realises how many astrologers will appreciate his work. Quote Wed Dec 15, 2010 11:08 am
16 by Levente Laszlo Aargh! The page looks different in Chrome and in Firefox! In Chrome the phrase "... but is available in draft version here (link)" is simply missing! I've never seen that sort of thing before! Quote Wed Dec 15, 2010 12:43 pm
17 by Tom Caveat: Riley states: What you find here is a preliminary translation completed in the 1990?s and not perfected since. It is based on Wilhelm Kroll?s 1908 edition (page numbers of this edition are marked with bold-faced K in my pdf) and on David Pingree?s 1986 edition (page numbers marked with P), a great improvement on his predecessor?s. The angled brackets (< >) indicate words added in the translation for clarity or (sometimes) to correct errors in the text .My studies in ancient mathematical literature, and (more important) in the Syriac and Arabic copies of Valens did not proceed far enough to put the finishing touches on this translation. Moreover I have moved on to other work. (See here.) So there are no guarantees of accuracy. You might also find some typos. Use at your own risk. In addition I am not prepared to answer questions about the translation. You are on your own Still free is free. Quote Wed Dec 15, 2010 1:42 pm
18 by Deb What we can rely on is that fact that Mark Riley is a cautious scholar who is not likely to publish something that is disreputable or unreliable as a whole. But this is a very wise statement in my opinion. All translations of works of this nature ought to carry something similar, even those that claim to be above such inadequacies.They are all works in progress. Quote Wed Dec 15, 2010 1:59 pm
19 by Tom I hope my note wasn't perceived as an indication that the translation was disreputable or unreliable. I don't have the background to determine that. I posted for informational purposes only. Quote Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:18 pm
20 by hervaro I suggest every one who downloads it, send Mr. Riley a thank-note by mail? I 've done so myself just now. I have no idea how many students of the tradition are roaming about in cyberspace; but to play safe and avoid Mr. Riley getting submerged with expressions of gratitude, one might think of sending it "some time" later ... (I should mention that I replied to this part of Deb's post: "I hope Mark Riley realises how many astrologers will appreciate his work.") Herman http://www.hervaro.be Quote Wed Dec 15, 2010 5:40 pm
21 by Chris Brennan hervaro wrote:I suggest every one who downloads it, send Mr. Riley a thank-note by mail? I 've done so myself just now. I have no idea how many students of the tradition are roaming about in cyberspace; but to play safe and avoid Mr. Riley getting submerged with expressions of gratitude, one might think of sending it "some time" later ... (I should mention that I replied to this part of Deb's post: "I hope Mark Riley realises how many astrologers will appreciate his work.") Since we don't know Riley's personal views about astrology, having a bunch of astrologers send him emails probably isn't a good idea if we want the translation to stay up. Like many academics he may not think very highly of the subject, and so he may not react well to a bunch of astrologers emailing him. This is historic for everyone in our community though, and I'm very grateful towards Riley for what he has done. My website: http://www.chrisbrennanastrologer.com Quote Wed Dec 15, 2010 8:21 pm
22 by hervaro Chris Brennan wrote: Since we don't know Riley's personal views about astrology, having a bunch of astrologers send him emails probably isn't a good idea if we want the translation to stay up. Like many academics he may not think very highly of the subject, and so he may not react well to a bunch of astrologers emailing him. This is historic for everyone in our community though, and I'm very grateful towards Riley for what he has done. Well, we can always disguise ourselves as students of antiquity and philosophy (supposing that we aren't already - de facto)! Anyway, I got a short and nice respons from Mr. Riley, expressing his hope his work is useful. Herman http://www.hervaro.be Quote Thu Dec 16, 2010 9:14 am
23 by hervaro I 've got a mail from Mr. Riley: You might have noticed that the page numbers were in disorder. I have corrected this and posted an updated versions of Vettius Valens. Sorry for the errors. Mark Riley Time to download again, if you rely on the page-numbering for your work and/or studies! Herman http://www.hervaro.be Quote Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:07 am
24 by zoidsoft Pg 28, section 7P. looks like a typo "tyrants and kinds are born" should read "tyrants and kings are born"... Curtis Manwaring Zoidiasoft Technologies, LLC Quote Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:17 am