Will I ever get married and when will that happend? 1 by milena08 Hello I cast this question at 28 Feb 2011 TZ = -1.0 1.22 A.M. 41.55 NORTH 22.24 EAST When I ask this question I have more intention my question to be on general basic will I ever get married and when will that happened no matter is it going to happened with this current boyfriend or with someone else I need your help very very much because I ma new and just beginner in horary. From chart I see this Sun day Jupiter hour Chart is Radical because Jupiter is the Hour Ruler and rules the Ascendant. My significator is Jupiter in aries IV house with this aspects: *JUPITER Opposite APP, dex SATURN 8.7 degree *VENUS Sextile APP, sin JUPITER 10.0 degree Jupiter is not well aspected. The opposition with Saturn is .not good. That indicates a conflict that will occur suddenly, quickly, perhaps forcefully indicating ?distance? between goals and purpose may represent two individuals whose desires or purposes are at odds, or two options that stand out more for their contrast than their commonality. is that mean that Saturn is third part or because it is in 10th house that is something connected with reputation , career and publicity ? Significator of quested is Mercury in pisces in III house But becouse there is no aspect among my significator and sigificator of quested I take into acount my co-significator Moon is in capricorn in I house * MOON Sextile sep, sin MERCURY 3.8 degree Moon has separated from Mercury, so that shows something that happened in the past like it shows the past history of mine relationship. probably difficulties communicating ideas to each other * MOON Sextile sep, sin SUN 6.1 degree * MOON Square sep, sin JUPITER 7.6 degree * MOON Square APP, dex SATURN 1.1 degree ** MERCURY Conjunct sep SUN 2.3 degree Separating aspects show what is is the past, not what is now, and certainly not what is in the future. In any event, Mercury and Sun are Enemies. They hate each other, and being in Pisces, neither Planet receives the other. That would be a negative, bad or evil conjunction. There's nothing positive about it. significator of quested (MERCURY) is very BAD becouse is peregrine is in detriment is in fall is combust Is this mean that I will never ever get married ? Or just that this curent relationship in which i am is not working? Part of marriage is in my 9th house in virgo and is opposition with mars and mars is in critical degree. Moon's Aspects - CONJUNCT VENUS SEXTILE URANUS (about excitement, reorganization, sudden change) Hope you will give me better insight at my question . Thanks http://i51.tinypic.com/24yz11t.gif Quote Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:07 pm
2 by Tanit I don't want to condone readings on personal horaries in here, since that's not the type of discussion we are trying to support. This is especially the case where querents are asking questions that they never answer themselves (which is concerning, since it's your chart). I would just like to mention that Lilly (in Book II of Christian Astrology) does tell students to assign the Moon's next aspect as the quesited in romance horaries. The Moon, Moon's last aspect and ASC ruler represent the querent, Moon's next aspect, DSC ruler the quesited. Venus co-sig the female, Sun the male. I rarely see anyone actually use the Moon's last aspect as well as its next and I often wonder why since it usually makes a lot of sense to me. It is probably because students don't know about this, and I just thought I'd mention it in case anyone is unaware. I'm not going to go into an analysis, but Moon-Saturn squares in general are quite difficult and Saturn is out of sect here and elevated, which makes it more challenging. The next aspect the Moon makes is with Saturn, which I am not sure if you noticed or not. Saturn being retro might show the return of someone. I would think this shows continued struggles and perhaps marriage later in life or with someone you have an age gap with. Moon-Saturn squares can also show divorce. I have that connection in natal (L1/L7), and astrology rules are pretty universal - I have never wed, although I was once asked by someone who was a few yrs older than me, with Capricorn rising and Moon conjunct Saturn in his 7th house. SN in the 7th and the 7th ruler combust, in detriment/fall and cadent obviously pose some challenges also, but I think Moon under Saturn's rulership and square Saturn is further supporting what other things are saying. But I think I agree with what others have said in the forum on natal being a better indication of marriage potential. Horary tends to focus on current relationships, or those in the near future. Natal is a larger scope of work. Quote Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:07 am
3 by Tanit ** MERCURY Conjunct sep SUN 2.3 degree Separating aspects show what is is the past, not what is now, and certainly not what is in the future. Also, I disagree with this quite adamently. An aspect still within orb of influence is always relevant now, whether separating or applying. Separating is something begun in the past but as long as within orb of influence, it is currently influencing and will continue to do so until true separation. For example, ask yourself why else would the Moon be separating from Mercury currently (within orb) when you say you are currently with someone, that you now have a boyfriend, unless it currently was being influenced by a 7th ruler, Mercury? Logic should say that aspect is right now, not just of the past. Moon will next go to Saturn, but that doesn't mean Mercury no longer exists to the Moon, as its last aspect. Combustion turns into the Sun's beams eventually, before finally separating entirely, but, uh, the orb is quite large before you feel nothing! An aspect begun in the past can quite effectively influence the future, for good or bad. As Deb said in my "benefics mitigating malefics" post, a planet can become "charged" by the previous aspect. This is especially true for the inferior ones because they bend to the superiors' will more easily. Moon and Mercury both take on the characteristics of their previous aspects because they are changeful in nature (due to their swift movement). In a quote by Lilly on translation of light, which CosmicDolphin gave me recently, talks about how Mercury applying to Saturn in Aries carries the influence of Mars in Aries to Saturn in Aries. Mercury acts as Mars in Aries would (you will see Lilly disagrees as well by saying separating aspects do influence the future): William Lilly writes on Translation of light Translation of light and nature is, when a light Planet seperates from a more weighty one, and presently joyns to another more heavy; and its in this manner, Let Saturn be in 20. degr. of Aries: Mars in 15 of Aries, and Mercury in 16 of Aries; here Mercury being a swift Planet seperates from Mars, and translates the vertue of Mars unto Saturn. Its done also as well by any Aspect as by Conjunction. And the meaning hereof in judgment, is no more then thus; That if the matter or thing were promised by Saturn, then such a man as is signified by Mercury shall procure all the assistance a Mars man can doe unto Saturn, whereby the businesse may be the better effected; in Marriages, Lawsuits, and indeed in all vulgar questions Translation, is of great use, and ought well to be considered. I think this is Book I of Christian Astrology There are times applying or separating aspects are interupted by another planet as well, but even then you would never disregard the aspect entirely (the one that was broken). It is still relevant in the question, or else it would not exist. Just my thoughts, though... I personally do think these types of astrological questions I stated are what we should be asking ourselves in here, not "will I get this job" or "will he or she break up with their girlfriend and date me?" etc. Quote Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:26 am
4 by Olivia I agree these aren't the types of questions we should be discussing here. The querent is probably a bit confused because on a free readings forum she was told that past aspects don't affect the future - in exactly the words she quoted here. I think the person who told her that was looking at it as a straight event horary - e.g., a Moon/Saturn square that's just past could indicate an argument that caused a break-up. More that separating aspects in horary charts don't happen as events in future. The repercussions will obviously continue to affect the situation. Tip for the querent: If you are going to ask questions about subjects like romance and marriage anywhere (even free reading forums), it's best to time-limit them - give the question a lifespan of a year or two, not 'forever' - that will only do bad stuff to your head if it's a negative chart. Quote Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:23 pm
5 by aglaya Hi, milena08. as other members have already pointed out- the administrators of the forum (as well as all other members) encourage new members to join and learn, discuss and ask questions but only for as long as the main goal of their posts is not to get a free delineation of the chart (which, the truth be told, in horary astrology isn't even possible because, none of us can ever become the official astrologer in a matter that has already been assigned to another astrologer- in this case you). Asking a question of extreme personal importance is a very tricky thing and one should always be well prepared for it. The suggestions and advices provided by other members so far can be very useful to you in the future. Horary astrologers usually encourage people to set their questions in reasonable time frames and to avoid unlimited ones by all means. Your question needs to be constructive and well grounded. For a person who is currently engaged in a romantic relationship, it is technically impossible to exclude the current circumstances from the picture and ask an almost "theoretical" question. That being said... will I ever get married and when will that happened no matter is it going to happened with this current boyfriend or with someone else what you need to be concetrating on IS actually your current relationship and the nearest future- something that you can work with. And something that you can work on. This way it sounds almost like an idle question born out of pure curiosity and I can only strongly advise you against asking your questions that way. You may have gotten a radical chart but one much more important question still remains- should have the question been asked in the first place and can you actually get any useful informations from the answer? Your Descendant is currently "occupied" because you are in a relationship and we have to respect that. So, instead of chasing the answer to the original (unnecessary, imho) question, i believe that it is worth taking a few steps back and understanding as to why you would want to ask such a question in the first place. The Moon is fallen and ruled by a cold planet and applying into a square with it. The rule rof the 7th is also detrimental, cadent and even damaged by the Sun rays - has you question been initiated by a quarrel with your boyfriend , a break up or a passing period of coldness? has he been cheating? Because, the truth be told, I' pretty sure that your question is about the current relationship rather than about marriage in general! Cheers, aglaya! Quote Wed Mar 02, 2011 3:56 pm
6 by The alchemist Horary charts can be used to answer such questions, but it's always better to use the natal chart instead, for this kind of thing. Quote Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:54 pm