First, to bring those of you who were kind enough to answer up to date, D. called this morning at 10.12 AM, EST. So I won't have to wait until June 4th.

Second, I understand the spirit in which your post was written, Deborah, but I would like to say that why your concerns are duly noted, the intricacies and history of my relationship with this man are known to no one but myself and him. While my recurrent queries may, to your mind, smack of desperation or pain or confusion, the fact is that I came to this board for Astrological help, not unrequested psychoanalysis of myself and our relationship. I would have preferred a request for personal contact, if it was your wish to communicate non-astrological feelings on my questions.

Regarding this relationship, I have been told in the past few days that 'he does care', 'he doesn't care', 'you won't hear from him for months' etc. As I earlier mentioned, I heard from him today and it was, in fact, a very positive, illuminating conversation.

It was never my intention to be a bother, and I apologize if my requests for horary assistance were such a hindrance. I can assuredly say that my queries were not indicative of 'pain' on my part, but simple confusion. No, it's not a perfect relationship, and I don't know where it's going. But the bottom line is that I was simply looking for astrological clues.

Without further ado, I have seen that with the exception of someone from this board who I am privately corresponding with, I have received contradictory information concerning my situation, as noted above.
And no, I am not 'disregarding' what I have been told. I have perhaps, naively, put TOO MUCH faith in astrology. There have been times when horaries on many different occasions and subjects have been right..but MANY MORE when they have simply been incorrect, including ones done by those who contribute to this and other boards.

Perhaps it is my own fault, as I have many Scorpio-Pluto aspects in my own chart, thus, a tendency to obsessiveness and a desperation to 'get to the bottom' of things. But I think I'll stand back and see how things work out on my own.

"The fault is not in our stars, Brutus, but ourselves."

Again, a heartfelt thanks to those who offered help.

I don't think anyone was trying to tell you what to do. However, you have been asking about this relationship for over a year many people have responded to your requests. We have all done so with the best of intentions.

Without further ado, I have seen that with the exception of someone from this board who I am privately corresponding with, I have received contradictory information concerning my situation, as noted above.

I do not see that you have been given contradictory information. Apart from the advice you got from another forum, which you posted here, you have been told the same thing every time. You have only been told this information because it has shown in every chart you have given here. You are right when you say that no one knows the nature of your relationship apart from you and your friend, but anyone who has responded to your requests for help has done so from an astrological approach based on the chart you were asking about at the time. I don't believe that the fact you just received a call from him invalidates any of the previous advice you have been given. You have had responses from several competent horary astrologers including at least one very highly regarded practitioner. If you find it so easy to disregard such skilled advice then perhaps you need to find another method of asking about this relationship other than horary.

There have been times when horaries on many different occasions and subjects have been right..but MANY MORE when they have simply been incorrect, including ones done by those who contribute to this and other boards.

Horaries are not incorrect. It is usually our interpretation that has been incorrect or perhaps our disregard for the understanding that we should not ask questions that have not been thought out or that have been asked about previously. Asking a question without good intention or without clear purpose will often lead to unclear charts. This does not make horary incorrect.

If you feel that you have been given contradictory information and that the delineations have not been reflective of the true circumstances of your relationship then perhaps this confusion and contradiction is indicative of the fact that you have asked this question several times, which has produced several charts. It is perhaps a good lesson in being very careful of what we ask, how often we ask it and how we ask it. Even though you have asked the same question, or something very similar, over many, many months I find it interesting that each of these charts has given the same answer.

Never ask a question for which you are not truly prepared to accept the answer.

i have no desire to get into an unpleasant verbal exchange except to again reiterate that I, and the other person involved, are the only ones who know where things stand.

I would have vastly preferred a private communication from the board moderator(s) if they were displeased with my repeated postings. I had honestly thought that when a measureable amount of time and circumstance occurs between queries, it could be valid.

Finally, I resent the accusation that I didn't like the 'answer i was given.'
That is an assumption. I know that horaries can be unclear, or perhaps misread. I am not saying that is the case. What I am saying is that I personally may have made a mistake in looking for clarification in this form. I am not blaming anyone. I have no hard feelings at all towards anyone who helped me...on the contrary - I appreciate it!

and finally, I agree that the phone call i received this morning does not invalidate the advice I was given. I did not suggest this. I was simply pointing out that this call came earlier than was predicted-and no one but myself and the other person knows what was said. Nor does anyone but myself and the other person know what constitutes an acceptable relationship where we are involved.

Again, a special thanks to Siraxi, Yuzuru and Horary Queen.

Hi Jane,

There was no element of annoyance in my post; if there had been I would have contacted you privately. I was concerned that the only chart to offer more (arguably) positive indications - ?when will he call?? - had prompted you to disregard the clear indications in the chart on this thread, and all the very consistent interpretations of a ?going nowhere? relationship you?ve had over the last two years. People who contribute to your discussions aren?t (or weren?t) aware that other charts exist. Hence, when the point was raised that you should disregard the meaning of this chart because you?d asked a more recent one about the same person, it was only fair to remind you ? and to inform the other people responding - that by that token those other charts can?t be ruled out of the equation.

While my recurrent queries may, to your mind, smack of desperation or pain or confusion, the fact is that I came to this board for Astrological help, not unrequested psychoanalysis of myself and our relationship. I would have preferred a request for personal contact, if it was your wish to communicate non-astrological feelings on my questions.

As I would have done, but for the very open way in which you have put your emotional upset to the forefront of your posts. I think you should accept responsibility for setting the tone of the response solicited - it?s not a case that your posts ?smack? of pain and confusion ? they have always declared it very openly. These are your comments Jane, taken from your posts:

I am very worried and confused. We used to talk every night. I miss my friend!

So, it appears the man I have been so romantically interested in says he cares for me, but "just can't do it. I can't trust again." But I don't want to lose contact with him. He..and his friendship...mean a great deal to me.

All I want to know, when will I hear from D again?? I would be heartbroken if we never talked to each other again...esp. after investing almost a year in getting to know each other.

I am worried and my heart is hurting. Can someone please help me?

Can someone please help me?

Can someone PLEASE help?

You?ve also underlined your feelings in topics headings such as ?Completely, utterly confused." and ?Asking sincerely for a reply...PLEASE...? And by the fact that every one of the posts you have made to the forum have concerned your relationship to this man.

So I am sorry if you felt my response was inappropriately personal, but it deserves to be acknowledged that you did not hesitate to portray feelings of desperation and a real need for help when asking for responses, so you shouldn?t take offence when they are referred to in the response. I wonder, if my response had been ?you obviously feel desperately attached to this man, but I can reassure you the chart shows he feels the same way?, would you have then felt it was so inappropriate?

I can assuredly say that my queries were not indicative of 'pain' on my part, but simple confusion. No, it's not a perfect relationship, and I don't know where it's going. But the bottom line is that I was simply looking for astrological clues.

When you use comments such as ?I would be heart-broken? and ?I am worried and my heart is hurting. Can someone please help me?? you are either magnifying the importance of the query, or revealing a genuine experience of emotional pain. My belief that it was the latter was the reason I responded. I am pleased that you say you understand the spirit in which my post was written because I can assure you it was not to put you down in anyway. You are protected by anonyminity on this board and you have asked some very forthright questions in a very emotionally expressive manner. I don?t see how it is possible to give ?astrological clues? without offering an opinion on what they mean but by all means look again at the aspects and planetary placements I have referred to ? the clues are there, make of them what you will.

BTW, I wasn?t aware of your posts on other boards, but those you have placed on this one have drawn responses from a number of people that have been very consistent. The only exception was the recent ?when will I hear from him??, where respondents confessed to being confused by the chart or not too sure of the answer. From that you moved to a more clearly defined question which you said ?cut to the chase?, and the clarity of the chart emerged again: the significators are separating, your significator is in detriment and very poorly positioned, the Moon is applying to the square of the Sun (the quesited) which itself squares the ascendant.

It?s never a good thing to put too much faith in astrology, especially that which you get from internet forums, because you open yourself to such a mixed bag of responses, even from good astrologers who have poor access to exploring exactly what you are asking and understanding all the pertinent issues. If none of it makes sense to you then, yes, draw back from it. Only you can really understand this matter and remember that these are your charts that you have asked people to comment upon, not mine or anyone else?s. Just as it is your relationship and, as you say, only you can decide what constitutes acceptibility.

I wish you well,
Deb