http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110502/ap_ ... _bin_laden

anyone got this years ingress charts analyzed for Pakistan?

Afraid not, but an approximate time for the raid was 1am local time according to a Twitter posting that seems to have recorded the event unawares of what was really going on

http://twitter.com/#!/ReallyVirtual/sta ... 0286358528

http://twitter.com/#!/ReallyVirtual/sta ... 2332278785

Explanation of the Twitter messages is about a third of the way down this newspaper page.....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/richard ... -dead-live

When I look at them the Twitter postings are stamped with the times 19:58:24 and 21:10:32, 1st May 2011, and it seems that these times are GMT.

Regards

H.

PS Sorry for the Twitter links not being clickable.... I'm afraid copy & paste will have to do....

As for Long and Lat, I've found two slightly different ones for Bilal Town, which is mentioned in the Twitter feed by the resident there who heard the helicopter(s).........

N 34? 8' 48"
E 73? 12' 59"

http://www.findlatitudeandlongitude.com ... n&id=29157

and

34?10'15"N 73?14'8"E

http://wikimapia.org/4323351/Bilal-Town

Hi Estebon,

anyone got this years ingress charts analyzed for Pakistan?

Nope but here is the chart for anyone that wants to lead on this chart.

I personally think the impact of this will be greater in the US. I have therefore put the ingress for the USA too. I know the hard core traditionalists will ignore this but Uranus with the Sun right on the 7th house cusp of the US Aries Ingress is very graphic. Mercury ( Lord 12=hidden enemies) in the 7th opposing the Moon (MC ruler).

The leader(Saturn) bin Laden in the house of Death is opposed by the Enemy, Exalted in Aries and bringing Chaos(Uranus) to his person and his possessions 2nd house cusp, how is that not traditional? Saturn ruler of 1st is in the 8th Death, and Uranus(traditionalists just dont assign house rulerships, they do use the outers, and Uranus is chaos!) is appropriately Chaos!

well my opinion.

second chart well that one is a whole lot less focused to me. The sun speaks of hopes and dreams, Uranus of chaos, Jupiter of Benefits, Mercury of communication/negotiations all in the house of partnerships and open enemies. to me this says more about tornadoes than last nights actions, that SN on the MC though sorta says success from failure and the reverse to me. Actions not always having the consequences you think they might. etc. (though the whole mutual reception with Jupiter and mars does somewhat suggest benefit through war) You know that Pof rather stands out doesn't it? fortune is wrought by hard work, is how I read that. l just a thought or two.

well anyway, interesting charts, thank you for posting,
Granny

Granny wrote:

The leader(Saturn) bin Laden in the house of Death is opposed by the Enemy, Exalted in Aries and bringing Chaos(Uranus) to his person and his possessions 2nd house cusp, how is that not traditional?

I dont know if you noticed but I used the term 'hard core traditionalists'. That was a tongue in cheek term to refer to traditionalists who omit outer planets entirely from consideration. All traditionalists use traditional dignities. Some still use the outer planets and some dont. There are plenty of traditionalists who post here on Skyscript who omit the outer planets completely. I am surprised you are not aware of this. Nevertheless, on a personal basis I have found outer planets useful.

Mark

I couldn't help noticing some interesting links between the chart for the first Twin Towers attack on Sept 11th 2001 and the Aries Ingress chart (USA) for 2011. Sadly I cant claim to have noticed this before Bin Laden was killed! Oh the joys of hindsight!
The South node (past) coincides with the Moon in the attack chart. The MC of the Aries Ingress chart is close to the attack chart North Node. Saturn ( IC/Lord 4/5) has come round to the attack chart ASC and is conjunct Mercury (12 house ruler). The IC of the chart is on the 9/11 Mars. Mercury (9th/12th house ruler) is trine Venus (Lord 1)

Mark

Finding reliable natal data for Bin Laden has proved very elusive and there are competing dates let alone times.

Have a look at the Astrodatabank link below. The research of various astrologers is at the bottom in the Source notes. March 10th 1957 does seem the front runner although by no means conclusive. It would be rather appropriate though with Bin Laden's natal Mars on Algol. If we work with this date it gives us some interesting links to the USA Federal government chart even without angles/Moon position. Bin Laden's Mars is in the 7th house opposing the Ascendant in the USA Federal government chart. (00:00 on March 4th 1789, New York). Bin Laden's Mercury is opposing the USA MC and on the IC. Bin Laden's Saturn appears to be in a tight partile square to the USA Sun, while his Venus is on the USA IC opposing the MC. Pluto is obviously very slow moving. Still it is noteable it is opposing the USA Mars to one arc minute.

http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Bin_Laden%2C_Osama

I am putting up a noon chart dated for 10th of March 1957 in whole sign houses although the angles and Moon position are obviously unknown. Even this basic data should be treated with extreme caution.
Here is the proposed date for Bin Laden in a bi-Wheel to the USA Federal Government Chart (1789).
Mark

Hello Mark:

Mark wrote:Finding reliable natal data for Bin Laden has proved very elusive and there are competing dates let alone times.

Have a look at the Astrodatabank link below. The research of various astrologers is at the bottom in the Source notes. March 10th 1957 does seem the front runner although by no means conclusive. It would be rather appropriate though with Bin Laden's natal Mars on Algol. This is in the 7th house opposing the Ascendant in the USA Federal government chart. (00:00 on March 4th 1789, New York). Bin Laden's Saturn appears to in partile square to the USA Sun, while his Venus is on the USA IC.

http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Bin_Laden%2C_Osama

I am putting a noon timed chart for 10th of March 1957 in whole sign houses although the angles and Moon position are obviously unknown. Even this data should be treated with extreme caution.

Mark

Thank you for sharing all the above charts and mostly the hypothetical chart of Bin Laden. I came to the forum looking for this kind of information

I have the feeling that perhaps Pisces should be the IC, since the body was thrown into the sea after death. What you think?
In this case the birth time might be in the first hour AM, which gives the Moon in Gemini in the 7th with Mars.
The Moon would be the 8th house ruler and her position in the place of open enemmies fits with the cause of death.
Also Jupiter in the MC, since he was known by his "ideal" with poor support, proper of a planet in its detriment...it fits.
I simply can?t believe this man had a Cancer Moon

I know it was an hypothetical chart so take this just as some thoughts!

Cl?lia

After 9-11 I did a fair amount of work on OBL and concluded that the March 10 horoscope was the correct date and completed a trial rectification of 8PI42 for the Ascendant. I didn't retain my work but distinctly recall that placement of Saturn/Sagittarius in the 10th house was consistent with his brother Salem's 29-May-1988 death by aircrash, reputation as a terrorist who used crashing planes (9-11), and even his death the crash landing of one of the helicopters.

Sagittarius is the sign of airflight. Saturn in that sign signifies air crashes.

For the 8PI42 Ascendant there are several Mars-Sun primary directions in the months leading up his death with the most recent one two months ago. This was an old rectification before I completed my first book and needs to be revisited; but don't have the time at present.

On a related note, did anyone note that the Moon's North Node made its Ingress to the bound of Saturn/Sagittarius a day or two before the OBL raid? (Assumption: Moon's Mean Node, Egyptian bounds). BOUNDS RULE!

From a mundane perspective, I suggest Bin Laden's death can be interpreted as the trigger for the US Dollar's reversal today and be read through the Regulus USA National Horoscope in this thread I just posted (dated May 5).

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6121

Mark Intoned

I dont know if you noticed but I used the term 'hard core traditionalists'.

Granny some how 'hard core' and 'Traditionalist' just have that Oxy- moron deer in the headlights response from me. You are correct however no one would consider me annal retentively traditional. more traditional with a a lime twist and a dash of sugar.

If I'm a bit more exuberant than usual, let me just say that last year my father, my favorite Uncle, an aunt and a young friend died,(all seperate incidents) so I've been a bit down. Recently I've learned that I'm getting Two new grandchildren in the fall, so I'm a bit giddy, as my sister suggested, 2011 is a far better year so far, than the last whole dang decade... for the most part. and definitely that is dependent on a persons perspective. but for the moment at least, life is looking just a bit brighter.

Granny

At Bin Laden's death year he had a progressed lunar return. The progression of 54yrs fell on 3 may 1957 which is close to this year's calendar date. Progressed Sun is close to semi-square to Moon. Maybe natal Moon would have to be corrected to 28? Gemini. The nodal axis recently conjuncted this position and could symbolize the ?invisibility? of Bin Laden.

Somewhere I found a death time of 10:21 AM (Pakistan time). Interesting is the Saturn sextile before his natal Saturn and the Moon sextile before his natal moon.

Sun Moon (and Saturn) seem to look important. A primary direction time of ca. 12:30PM Jiddah Saudi Arabia gives directed MC conjunct Sun and directed Asc conjunct Moon. So calculated backwards to a birth time would give roughly 9 AM (4*54=216 minutes or 3h36m). This gives MC 24?Capricorn and Asc 4? Taurus.

Using this MC the day?s transits of Moon, Mars and Jupiter are square on it. It shouldn?t be forgotten that Bin Laden was an ally of the US in the fight against the USSR in the ?80s. I think the Mars Jupiter symbolizes this final break with the former ally. Although I don?t want to get political I think the forces shouldn?t have killed him. It is reported that he was unarmed and cuffed. Although he resisted they simply could have hit him KO to give him a trial later. This killing pinches with international law. So this is where the symbolism Mars as war and lawless is stronger than Jupiter as the law planet. It?s close to a liquidation and I?m afraid this won?t make the US more popular.

There?s a Saturn return in the US 1776 chart and the Moon, Mars Jupiter conjunction is square to US Mercury. US?s Sun and Jupiter also in Cancer receiving the square of transiting Saturn now. I?m not sure what to make out of these and of the rest of this all. I could be totally wrong, natal chart correction remains a tricky thing.