Hello Eddy

The data I found - I posted it with links to the sources further up in this thread - showed that the raid took place around 1am local time in Pakistan, so a death time of after 10am local time in Pakistan would mean they didn't kill him until way after Obama had gone on live television to announce the raid.

A time of 10:21am in Pakistan would probably be closer to the time when Obama went on television to announce it.

Regards

H.

I just re-checked the time of Barack Obama's announcement and 10:21am in Pakistan would be way after the broadcast in which he said they'd killed Osama Bin Laden.

Regards

H.

Thanks Handn. Your reply made me check the website where I had seen that time. http://maptd.com/satellite-image-of-abb ... ens-death/
10.21AM was the time of the satellite image of the location was made, not his death time.

It doesn't change much for the rest of what I think of the (corrected) chart though.

Eddy wrote:Thanks Handn. Your reply made me check the website where I had seen that time. http://maptd.com/satellite-image-of-abb ... ens-death/
10.21AM was the time of the satellite image of the location was made, not his death time.

It doesn't change much for the rest of what I think of the (corrected) chart though.

I was reading Dr.H and Eddy reasoning, and I can?t believe a person with Pisces ascending with Mercury in detriment in the ASC would have had the capacity to be organized to the point he must had been not to mention the capacity of being so cold and at the same time so combative.
The water element goes for emotional support, so how comes a person who changed the world with his rage would have an ASC in a water sign? This simply does not fit with the kind of person OBL was.
May be the ASC in Taurus, a fix and cold, melancholic sign would be more appropriate? I think so, especially with Mars in detriment in the ASC.

I will try to study better the chart: I feel more comfortable with Taurus ascending, since Venus is in Pisces, in the 11th, a good house, looking to the ASC and given to the native the Pisces? eyes. Did he usually look to the ground when walking? This kind of thing is proper of the earth signs, I observed.


More later ( perhaps);-)

Clelia

While my post was somewhat off the cuff I think I?m on something with the OBL birth hour. In 1999 there was the solar eclipse 11 august. Although a while ago I mentioned my doubts about the eclipse and whether Zoller did predict 9/11 (and still do) because the attentat was an act done by human beings and not something like a natural disaster, I do think it would be useful to look at eclipses in relation with OBL?s birth chart. At first sight I don?t see something (perhaps the semisquares of the eclipse and the rest of the grand cross to natal Moon) but there was a total lunar eclipse preceding the 11 august eclipse. 28 july. http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/LEplot/LEp ... Jul28P.pdf

Date/Time: 1999.07.28 11:24:47 UTC (GMT - Delta T), JD = 2451387.975544 Sidereal Time: 07:47:31, Delta T = 63.7 seconds
Planet Longitude Latitude Right Asc. Declination
Sun 04 Leo 57'39" 0?00'00"
Moon 04 Aqr 57'39" 0?44'00"
Mercury 01 Leo 57'47"R - 4?54'24"
Venus 05 Vir 04'52" - 3?50'23"
Mars 09 Sco 37'26" - 1?31'47"
Jupiter 03 Tau 45'29" - 1?18'44"
Saturn 16 Tau 15'41" - 2?20'49"
Uranus 15 Aqr 13'27"R - 0?42'34"
Neptune 02 Aqr 55'10"R 0?16'48"
Pluto 07 Sgr 51'47"R 11?36'36"
Moon's Node 12 Leo 55'40"R 0?00'00"

Source: www.ephemeris.com Note that I have a preference for the time of ecliptic conjunction rather than the more usual time of maximum eclipse.

The eclipse is square to the 9:00 AM Ascendant. Of course this remains a guess of mine but when I look at progressed Sun and directed MC for 2001. Pr Sun reached the Ascendant and PD MC reaches Mercury/Venus. And 9/11 can be called something of OBL?s ?career?, or what he tries to achieve, his highest aims. Also in 1999 transiting Pluto was square to Me/Ve. So these give quite some elements for a plan to be born in the mind, which I personally find more elementary than the date of the attacks.

There?s also an annular eclipse in his progressions on 30 april 1957 (a few progressed ?years? before his death). http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEplot/SEp ... Apr30A.GIF It occurred in 9?23?Taurus. I?m not sure what to make out of this.

Although with my 'Keplerian' views I don't really bother with the signs but
Clelia's remark of cold and melancholic of Taurus and Mars in detriment seems to be appropriate, because he appears to have been a difficult man in marriage. I think that the Mercury Venus conjunction is an important element in the chart (also because of the directions)

Apart from all this, with some mystery charts of over a year ago in mind in which I found many perfectly fitting things yet was totally wrong, I realize that I could be just as wrong in this observation. I notice it?s quite tempting to these kind of corrections.

Clelia -

Another example of an intellectual powerhouse with Mercury/Pisces and Jupiter/Virgo, mutual reception via detriment, was Thomas Jefferson one of America's founding fathers and author of the Declaration of Independence.