Lunlumo wrote:

zoidsoft wrote:

Lunlumo wrote: You might find this one helpful:
Hermes shareware:

http://www.hermes-astrologie.com/1hermes.htm

LL

Looks like this link dried up and withered away... (a common occurrence these days).

Oops - what a pity. It is/was really an excellent one...

Does it exist somewhere else?

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Hello

I went looking for Gold in California, here is what I came up with. Hope my writing is not to confusing.

Chart above is the 9th Septar for the US Const. Chart chart dated 4 March 1789 00.00 NYC 74w00 40n43 Asc 26Sc56 thereabouts. The Septar chart data, 3 March 1797 10:46:32 PM or 22:46:32 or see the chart. This chart covers the years 1845-1852

This post about the California Gold Rush of 1848. Conflicting data on what day gold was found. To save space I enclude links for any one wanting to read about it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_W._Marshall
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_W._M ... _note-Ja-5
http://malakoff.com/marshall.htm

Third link top to bottom is most interesting, quote from the man who found gold said::::: and about half past seven o'clock on or about the 19th of January--I am not quite certain to the day, but it was between the 18th and the 20th of that month--1848, I went down as usual, and after shutting off the water from the race I stepped into it, near the lower end, and there, upon the rock, about six inches beneath the surface of the water, I DISCOVERED THE GOLD.

The official word is, Gold was discovered Jan 24, 1848

The significator(s) for Gold. Is it safe to say Sun is prime indicator. As in previous examples I would add prime indicators sign house (Leo) as an active place. Houses 4 and 5 receive consideration to. On this site we can read about 4H hidden treasures, treasures of the earth, mines. The other house, 5H is Suns natural house and Ms Ivy G wrote, ?everything whose outcome is a matter of chance?, it would be safe to say more than a few folks took big chances to find gold.

With these indicators I headed west looking for gold. Sun in Septar chart in 5H. I only use whole sign houses, Pisces is 5th whole sign house. Leo 10H so far so good.

Scorpio rises for this seven year chart. Thereafter go around the wheel Scorpio to Libra, Virgo until you come to Cancer. Cancer took over 7 month period July 6, 1847 to Feb 3 1848. Cancer is 5H from Sun in Pisces. Rulers to this point Sc Cn

Cancer then distributes the seven months to each sign by 17.5 degree movement of Sun. So when Cancer takes over, after a short while, Sun moves 17.5d the time is distributed to Gemini for around 2.5 weeks. Continue around the wheel by 17.5 degree movement during Cancer 7 month period Gem to Tau to Ari until you come to Leo.

Leo took over Jan 17 1848 12:36:57 Gmt Tr. Sun to 26Cp36 20 to Feb 3 1848 so gold was discovered in Cal when the Suns sign Leo 10H took over rulership Sc Cn Le

Therafter the date for discovery of gold is uncertain - see above what man who discovered gold wrote or said -

When Leo took over (Sc Cn Le) during it?s 17.5 degree period, it distributed the times tthrough the signs by 1d27m29.9s division.

Leo distributed the first 1d27m29.9s period to itself starting Jan 17 to Jan 18 1848 thereafter Cancer took over.

Cancer the 5H from the Sun in Pisces. The rulers when Cancer took over look like this,

Sc Cn Le Cn Jan 18 1848 23.00.10 Gmt or around 3:00 PM Cal. Pos of Sun 28Cp03 49
Sc Cn Le Ge Jan 20 1848 09.24.24 Gmt or around 01:24 AM Cal. Pos of Sun 29Cp31 19

Again read what gentleman said regarding date he actually found gold. Either way Ca Ge ar 5H and 4H from prime indicator Sun chosen as indicators few paragraphs above.

Continue to move around wheel 1d27m29.9s from Sc Cn Le Ge Jan 20 until you reach Pisces. Date of Official announcement the distribution of the signs look like this:.

Sc Cn Le Pi Jan 24 1848 16:40:25 Gmt or 08:40 AM California

Pisces is house of Sun the prime indicator. I cannot find a time for official announcement but perhaps it came a little after 08.40 Am on 24th.. either way hope this was interesting.

Now to some comments in previous posts.

To Mr LL A short quote as others can read the entire post::::
As to transits: What counts most of all is the fact that a Septar gives a true insight into a seven years' period - irrespective of triggerings of what ever kind. Which does certainly not mean that the transits are of minor importance. :::

After taking a closer look at charts you presented I got a feeling they could produce results by just spinning the wheel without use of transits. So far so good. But as stated in previous post, after few more examples under my belt I will take a closer look at transits to.

::::::::::::What I mean: e.g. the third Septar not only deals with the years from 14 to 21.It also allows an insight into "house three matters" if I may say so - in other words an insight into the ways and means of communication etc. Or: the sixth house may have something to say about the individual's health dipsosition, job life etc.... :::::::::::

In past days I have taken a look at few personal birth charts. I was surprised at what I began to see. And what I began to see is, what you write above.

Thanks for info about Mr. D?bereiner, I love hearing about researchers like him. Of course, I know quite well, Mr Ebertin. He was a long time favorite, still is.

To Richard thanks for the book list, now where to find them, smile smile appreciate your time. Michael

Hi Michaelb,

thanks a lot - the "17.5 system" (if I may call it like this) definitely works, no doubt about that. And my compliments. However,I'll have to deal with it more thoroughly - within the days and weeks to come.
As to transits: D?bereiner couldn't agree more - he hardly ever mentions transits over special degrees in Septars, he has always given priorty to the rhythms that I mentioned. Yours should be included there. However I have found that transits indeed should be heeded.

The ninth Septar that you have presented indeed reveals a lot. It might also be taken as a means to get a more detailed insight into house nine matters of the US - and US-politics. You'll agree that NE is within the AC's orbit in the 9th Septar? AC Scorp. conj Neptune - with a view to house nine being linked to matters of ideology (I prefer "Weltanschauung") : there seems to be some sort of "forced liberalism" - which, I know, is a contradiction "in adiecto", in itself. A liberalism that may at times become some sort of obsession (with respect to economy e.g.) ? Note that the classical ruler of Scorpio, Mars is antisc. Pluto - thus giving additional strength to this paradox.
One should not exaggerate when looking at transits over Septars when these are used as "magnifiers" (would you be kind as to say if this is a suitable term - or preferably "augmentation" ? - Sorry, English will always be a foreign language for me... sigh)
... but: With respect to the "rush" in 1848: have you noticed that NE was exactly conjunct AC 2nd Septar when the first gold was disvovered? A dream, then a rush, then a dream again...

Kind regards,
LL

Michaelb wrote: thanks for the book list, now where to find them

You probably have to order them directly at

Verlag D?bereiner
Schmidschneiderstra?e 37
82211 Herrsching
(Germany)

best wishes
Richard