Hello waybread:.

Just a few questions:

1. It appears that you used a control group of non-suicidal people. Can you say something about how they were selected?

I have to consult my notes to answer this question. I?ll do it later to give you a correct answer

2. Did you look at transits? In the absence of a foolproof specific astrological signature in the natal chart; I wonder whether fragile people might commit suicide at a particular time, when they percieved external factors as overwhelming. Possibly progressions could also push someone to a crisis point. Maybe emotionally fragile people who don't undergo really harsh transits/progressions will get through their suicidal period

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I did not look at transits, progressions, firdars...nothing more than the traditonal study of the natal chart. We see persons coping with tragic lives and illnesses fighting hard to live and observing nature we note pretty clear that to preserve the own life is something instintive in all living beings. Being able to go against all this philogenetics thing is unusual, to say the least, and nothing else can explain suicide unless an important characteristic appears in the natal chart:: not only one, but a configuration.

4. Celebrity charts (like Kurt Cobain, John Berryman, Ernest Hemingway) are much of what we have to go on, but they are often troublesome to work with from a research perspective, because they are of people who are unique--and often very public figures--in some way.

I think all of us are unique. But...to put a gun at someone?s head or at his own head is very very unique, though.

5. An astrological chart does not show many, many things that might affect a suicide's final decision. For example, someone might have had a strong religious faith that forbids suicide; someone else might have had better mental health care than another. Also, the question of "What is a suicide?" is not always straightforward. If someone dies of complications of alcoholism, the death certific would probably say sometime like accute cirrhosis of the liver or a brain injury from the person falling down in a drunken haze, not suicide; even though the person essentially "drank himself to death."

You got a point here! I agree.!
I saw people with emphysema and needing a machine to breath ... and yet, holding the cigarette, readyto smoke when the nurse turned her back.
The study is not perfect because I only studied the flagrant cases of suicide.

I loved your statement, "Under the belief of having discovered something consistent, I slept one night in glory."

Funny, isn?it?

Sorry my delay to answer: in any case feel free to use my private e-mail!

Cl?lia

No problem, Clelia--thanks for responding.

waybread wrote:No problem, Clelia--thanks for responding.

Thank you for understanding

Cl?lia