These were really sickening and depraved acts. Words fail me. I cant really find it in me to even look at the astrology of this yet. I am sure all our hearts go out to the victims, their families and the traumatised survivors In Norway. May all find peace.

Mark

re the crucifixion chart Al H Morrison sent out in 1984 -- the eclipse itself was exact in the late afternoon, the moment of exactitude could have been when Christ cried out "Father why have you deserted me?", when the moon rose around sundown, it was still partially eclipsed ...

I'm putting all these apocalyptic events into the Galactic Epoch phenomenon ... the terrorism is also a function of Pluto/Capricorn school of political coercion. From the extreme weather globally, to the birds falling from the sky last winter; I think we terrestials are subject to Galactic Forces more so during this epoch, the Tropical Solstice point having exactly precessed to the Galactic Plane in late 1999, it will precess to the degree of SagA, the Galactic Center about 2227 AD. I think Galactic Forces are affecting the earth's molten magnetic core and perhaps increasing terrestial receptiveness to interplanetary, solar systemic forces.

Well, as firdaria is a traditional concept, it should be noticed that in traditional mundane astrology, the set of natal firdaria were NOT used. Instead there are four conjunts of "firdaria" (if we include the dawr).

A mundane firdaria starts at the aries ingress of the year the first ruler of the dynasty took power under the Law (and not in one of event charts of modern astrology). The simpliest mundane firdaria is the planets in chaldean order.

My rectification for the Norway chart, using 10 events, is 10.58.50 CET Asc 8Vir38', only 1m10s earlier.
In primary directions in Topocentric system, we have the following appropriate aspects:
V cusp (converse) conjunct Saturn orb 6'
V cusp (direct) 150 Mars 4'
Mercury (direct) conjunct Asc 11'
Mercury (converse) square Mars 6'
The most important aspects are in secondaries:
MC (progress) sextile Neptune 6'
Asc (converse) trine Saturn 5'
Asc (converse) 180 Uranus 2'
Transits:
Mars & mean NN conjunct Pluto
Heliocentric Mars conjunct MC!!
Converse transits (22 April 1799):
Pluto conjunct Saturn orb 2'!
Mars conjunct Pluto
Lunar returns are most effective when calculating with precession:
In the lunar return for 3 July Uranus on Asc and Saturn on Desc, Pluto on IC!
In the tropical solar return Pluto on MC, Saturn setting.
In the solar return, precession corrected, Saturn rising

In the last Solar Eclipse on 1st July, Mars almost exactly on MC
In the Lunar Eclipse for 19 May 1799 (the last lunar eclipse in converse mode) Moon in 28Sco15 conjunct radical IC
Harmonic Age:
MC 180 Mars
Neptune 180 radical Mars
Saturn 120 Sun.

SGFoxe wrote:re the crucifixion chart Al H Morrison sent out in 1984 -- the eclipse itself was exact in the late afternoon, the moment of exactitude could have been when Christ cried out "Father why have you deserted me?", when the moon rose around sundown, it was still partially eclipsed ...

I am afraid I have introduced something that may get us off track, but the above quote is supposed to relate to the accompanying solar eclipse, I am sure. Probably best to drop the question and leave the it open for the time being - but we could join minds in a project of investigation under a separate topic.

Brevik's CV

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... raphy.html

There is no date given for his birth.. Feb 1979
It will be interesting to read his starry signatures .If he is pisces sun sign the Uranus is transiting dangerously close to his Sun.
Given that his planning for such an event really took off in 2009 -I would be surprised if his angles are not in a hard aspect to Transit Pluto.
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Additional:-

http://www.birthday.no/sok/?f=Anders&l= ... %20Breivik

Not sure what else it says but I can understand 13 Feb 1979

By Vedic astrology he will be Leo Moon sign and would have been going through the First cycle of Saturn traversing the 12th,1st and 2nd sign from his natal moon- which is considered quite bad and requires a lot of adjustment.


PD

Mark wrote:These were really sickening and depraved acts. Words fail me. I cant really find it in me to even look at the astrology of this yet. I am sure all our hearts go out to the victims, their families and the traumatised survivors In Norway. May all find peace.

Mark

Hi Mark,

I guess we tend to turn to our "religious" beleifs in hard times (and in good times as well of course). Searching for some sort of explanation. Astrology always give that. Maybe it's the same thing as when the Church explain things as "the Will of God". We accept it, but we want to know how and maybe why God did it.

Yes, it is sickening.

Love/Anna

Andrew,

Thanks so much for your effort and all the information! That was sweet of you. You must be pretty upset beeing so close to this horror. We do'nt want to take advantage of you if you feel bad.

Noted one thing. You consider the outer planets? Including Pluto?

If so, the Norway chart you put up has Pluto 21 degree Gemeni. In house 10/4. Mars passing/conj this week. Yes, the eclipse of June 15 again.

Mars is a really a bad one!

Love/Anna

You seem very assertive in your statement, but I do not understand why natal firdaria should not work in mundane as well. I suspect the reason why the ancients did not use it in that way is because that they more often than not lacked the accurate time of the birth of the nation.

Well, if you are simply going to dismiss traditional astrology, then why you want to use a traditional tool? The ancients created a different set of firdaria because mundane astrology is different than natal, not because they "lacked accuracy" on the "birth of the nation" (a complete modern concept by the way).

One cannot just pick and choose from traditional astrology the tools they want to, or the ones they like. Tradition is a whole, and so you can?t just pick a tool, while using it in way not coherent with the traditional concept.

Yuzuru/Ole

Regarding Firdaria: I feel a bit torn on this issue. I think if someone wants to be strictly medieval in technique Yuzuru is correct. The technique seems to have been developed for foundational ingress charts. However, I dont see what is wrong with Ole's approach of trying out a traditional technique like firdaria to a more modern approach ie national charts. I know Steven Birchfield has done quite a lot of work in this area. To reject this out of hand would be like saying one cannot apply the bounds or dwads to national charts. Of course if someone wants to reject national charts full stop because they are not traditional (or for other reasons) that is another issue.

On a practical level though I have been rather unsatisfied with the results of firdaria applied to the national charts I have studied to date. They often seem out of sequence to key events. Even with accurately timed national charts. I am still researching foundational ingress charts. However, they are not a panacea either. Not least as there is often considerable debate when the foundational ingress for a modern nation should be dated from. For example modern France, Germany, Britain or the USA. I do find profections seem to work well with national charts though.

Mark

To Yuzuru/Ole,

Ok guys chill out. I have had to delete some comments. Your not going to convince each other this way so please drop this issue and lets move on.

Mark

Anna wrote:Noted one thing. You consider the outer planets? Including Pluto? If so, the Norway chart you put up has Pluto 21 degree Gemeni. In house 10/4. Mars passing/conj this week. Yes, the eclipse of June 15 again.

Anna,
Your observations stand in their own right. Personally, I have noticed the transit of the Moon's South node over the radical postion of Pluto in the chart of Norway. This combination is more exact and besides, probably more sinister.

Maybe we also observe Pluto as co-ruler of Scorpio, hence lord of the cusp of the 4th in the Norwegian chart. The weather is the poorest I can remember as far as Summers are concerned. We had over 50mm rain this weekend (measured in my back garden), and there was a small earthquake almost 4 Richter reported night to Thursday. The 4th house also opposes the government, ruled by the 10th, as also it rules the weather and the land and earth. Maybe the South Node crossing the body of Pluto pits the 4th house.