Janis Valkovskis wrote:Sebastian,

By agreement between ASC, its lord and lord of hour I mean, I will mention only examples (details will follow when I return from leave in August):
1) Sagitarius rising and Jupiter rules the hour - the strongest agreement, a good argument that the fave would win, unless Jupiter badly afflicted;
2) Sagitarius rising, Sun rules the hour - Sagitarius is a hot and dry sign, the Sun is a hot and dry planet;
3) Sagitarius rising, Mars rules the hour - Sagitarius is a hot and dry, so is Mars;
4) Sagitarius rising, Venus rules the hours - Jupiter is a benefic, so is Venus;

The latter 3 combinations are weaker that Sagitarius rising with Jupiter being the lord of hour

5) Sagitarius rising, Saturn, Mercury or Moon rules the hour. The chart is not radical, this favours the underdog (exceptions when nonradicality of the chart is counterbalanced by favourable receptions or good aspects I will describe later. It's a pretty long story).

Although the chart is radical, the fave does not always win, and when the chart is not radical, the underdog does not always win. It's a tendency, but not a regularity. A correct prediction depends on many factors, one of which is whether the chart is radical or not.

Greetings
Janis

Very interesting. Thanks so much,

Sebastian

Hi, Janis
I wanted to tell you that, some years ago, I developed a similar methodology, so I believe we are both in the right track (or at least, great minds think alike)


Try to look also for the days were sun or moon are at the 29th degree when the game starts

I will resume the discussion about the algorythm how to read football charts.

Assigning significators

ASC (its ruler)- fave, DSC (its ruler) underdog. This is a method used by Frawley. It works, to some degree of reliability, only if there is only one or few games with the same kick - off. May be it works pretty well for finals or like, but due to a small number of such games for which I have made charts, I will not comment. However, I prefer colour method to be described below also in such games.

ASC home team - unreliable. However, there I have observed a tendency that it's bad for the home team, particularly for the fave, to play in colours which disagree with the sign on ASC (for instance, Capricorn is rising but the team's kit is bright yellow - Sun) or the relevant sig (agreeably to colours, see below) has detriment or fall on ASC, for instance, the home team's kit is orange - Sun, but Libra is rising. I think it's natural for the home team to occupy ASC, therefore if the home team's kit agrees with the sign on ASC or its ruler, it's a pretty strong advantage.

Current methods teach that such charts are a battle of ASC team versus DSC team. It's correct only to some degree. If the signs on ASC - DSC or their rulers matches well with the kits' colours (for instance, Scorpio is rising and one team play in red, the other in a ligth blue kit), it's OK, use the ruler of ASC and DSC as the sigs. There's no need for seeking refinement and try to force the rulers of ASC and DSC, or at least one (the other gets it by default), to fit as the sigs, for instance, Pisces are rising but one team plays in black kit, the other in red kit, in such case use Mars and Saturn instead as sigs (see below). Jupiter may fit for red, but Mercury does not fit for black.

Colour method, when the teams get planets as sigs according to the kits' colours, is so far the only one how to tell one team from other in so called run - of - the - mill games on a Saturday at 15:00.

The sigs judging after the colours are as follows:

Saturn - black (luminiscent black is Mars), white/black, dark blue, dark brown, gray, ashy and pale colours,
Jupiter - blue (except light blue), green, purple and violet, lushy colours
Mars - red, luminiscent black, agressive colours,
Sun - bright yellow, orange, gold
Venus - light blue, light green, rosy
Mercury - yellow (not bright), combination of light colours
Moon - white, silver

Note: Mercury, Venus and Moon are susceptible planets and may take on colours of sign they are in (its ruler) or in aspect with (in particular conjunction and opposition). For instance, Moon in Capricorn may well be black and white.

Sun, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn are unsusceptible and use the colours mentioned above regardless of the sign they are in or planets with which they are in aspect.

Before I will proceed with discussing the issue on agreement or disagreement among ASC, its ruler and the lord of hour, I'd like to conclude the issue on assigning significators. Frawley suggests to use the Moon's dispositor as a sig if Capricorn or Cancer is rising. In practice this suggestion does not work, unless the dispositor agrees with the colours of one team whose sig it is.
The Moon's dispositor does not act in lieu of the Moon; I strongly adviced not to use the Moon's dispositor as a sig if the team plays in white. The Moon is the sig, and the Moon's aspects will show if the team playing in white will lose or win (wether fave or underdog). For instance, if the underdog plays in white, conjunction, trine to POF will show that the team playing in white will win not the fave. Vice versa, opposition will show that the team will lose rather than the fave will lose.

I will proceed with discussing the interconnection between the radicality of the chart (agreement among ASC, its ruler and the lord of hour).

Having reviewed more than 2000 charts (different leagues and different level of football) in six months, I can say that there is interconnection between the radicality of the chart and the result of a game. If there is agreement between ASC, its ruler and the lord of hour, the likelyhood that the fave will win (depending on the type of radicality) is higher when there is lack of radicality.

If Aries is rising, the chart is radical if the lord of hour happens to be Mars (as ruler of the sign), Sun (exaltation and agreement in humour with both the sign and its ruler) or Jupiter (both planets are hot, only the passive element (wetness or dryness) differs).

Mercury, Moon and Venus are susceptible planets, they take over the quality of the sign they are in or the planet with which they are in a close (orb 2-3 degrees) aspect (conjunction, opposition, square and trine).

So, if Venus, Mercury or Moon rules the hour, the chart is radical if they happen to be in a fiery sign, or in the same triplicity as Mars or Sun.

If Saturn rules the hour, the chart is not radical even if Mars (or Sun) and Saturn happen to be in the same triplicity (for instance, Mars in Gemini, Saturn in Libra), this moves the result away from the fave.

If Taurus is rising, the chart is radical if Venus or Moon rules the hour. With Mercury, unless in a fiery sign. With the Sun if in the same sign as Venus, or in good aspect (trine, sextile) with the Moon. With Mars it is not radical unless in a fiery sign or in the same triplicity as Mars, but also in the latter case it does not favour much the faves). With Jupiter the chart is radical (both planets are benefics). With Saturn the chart is radical (currently Venus is the dispositor of Saturn), besides Taurus and Saturn both are cold and dry.

I will continue:

If Gemini is rising, the chart is radical with Saturn ruling the hour (triplicity in a day chart, while Saturn is Libra, the chart should be considered as radical also in a night chart, there is also agreement in homour for both planets are cold and dry, unless Mercury in a fiery sign).
If Jupiter is the lord of hour, the chart can be considered as radical for Jupiter is of the same nature as Gemini (hot and wet), but it's a hard type of radicality which will be discussed in connection with testimonies which favour the faves and which ones the underdogs.

With Mars the chart is not radical (unless Mercury and Mars in the same triplicity, better if both in fiery signs).

With Sun the same as with Mars.

With Venus and Moon depending on which sign they are in.

With Mercury radical of course.

If Cancer is rising, the chart is radical if Moon, Venus, Jupiter (exaltation) or Mars (triplicity) rules the hour. With Sun it is not radical, however, it strongly favours the fave if there is a good aspect between the Moon and the Sun, and harms if there is conjunction or opposition between the luminaries. With Mercury the chart is not radical, unless it in a watery sign. With Saturn the chart is not radical.

I will continue:

If Leo is rising, the chart is radical when Sun (ruler) and Mars (agreement with the sign and the ruler, a hot and dry sign and ruler, so is Mars).

With Jupiter ruling the hour the chart is radical, if it's a night chart (Jupiter ruler of fiery triplicity); if it's a day chart it still can be considered as radical (the active element (hot) agrees, the passive differs (Leo and Sun both are dry, Jupiter is wet). But considering that Jupiter is a benefic, such combination in general favours the fave.

With Venus, Mercury the chart is radical if they are in a fiery sign or in the same triplicity as the Sun (in fact, in the same sign).

With the Moon the chart is radical if she is in a fiery sign or in a good aspect with the Sun (one of the strongest testimonies for the fave).

With Saturn ruling the hour, the chart is not radical, in particular currently when Saturn is in Libra, the sign of the Sun's fall.

If Virgo is rising, the chart is radical if Mercury (ruler), Venus (triplicity and agreement with the sign, both Venus and Virgo are moderately cool) and the Moon (the active element concurs - cool, the passive one differs - Virgo is dry, the Moon is wet. However, always look in what sign Venus or the Moon is in. If in a fiery sign, the chart is not radical.

With Mars the chart is not radical (unless in the same triplicity as the sign or Mercury). With Jupiter the chart is not radical, however, considering Jupiter's beneficial nature, it's not a very convincing testimony for the underdog (this we will discuss in more detail when discussing which testimonies favour the faves and which the underdogs).

With Saturn the chart is radical if Mercury is in dignities of Saturn (house and exaltation) or in the same triplicity as Saturn.

With Libra rising the chart is radical if Saturn is the lord of hour (exaltation and triplicity).
With Jupiter being lord of hour it is radical (Venus and Jupiter are benefics and Jupiter is participant of the Airy Triplicity).
With Mars the chart is not radical.
With the Sun the chart is not radical (fall).
With Venus the chart is radical (ruler).
With Mercury the chart is usually radical even by day (in night triplicity) unless in a watery sign.
With the Moon the chart is radical (the same humour as Venus, both are moist).

With Scorpio rising the chart is not radical if Saturn is rising.
If Jupiter is the ruler, the chart can be considered as radical (Mars and Jupiter both are hot, although the passive element differs - Mars is dry, Jupiter moist).
With Mars the chart is radical(ruler).
With the Sun the chart is radical (Mars and Sun both are hot and dry).
With Venus the chart is radical unless in a fiery sign, though it's a hard type of radicality (Venus is detrimented here).
With Mercury the chart is not radical, unless in the same triplicity as Mars or in a watery sign.
With the Moon the chart is radical (Scorpio moist and cold, Moon moist and cold) but it's a hard type of radicality (Moon in fall).

Janis, I've hit a rock in my digging of this treasure and I decided to have a look at how you do it. I have been testing what you have here on the 13th Aug 2011 round of games in the English Premier League and for a few of the games I can see something but I have come across two games here which I would appreciate your input on. If you would be willing to have a look at both charts, would it be ok to post them to you either here or or via PM?

Konrad, I think we discussed the charts here in the forum for the sake of astrology. But if you prefer to discussing it personally, my email is dzivibaskoks@inbox.lv.
Greetings
Janis

Janis Valkovskis wrote:Konrad, I think we discussed the charts here in the forum for the sake of astrology. But if you prefer to discussing it personally, my email is dzivibaskoks@inbox.lv.
Greetings
Janis

I'm not adverse to discussing it publically but I don't want to hijack your thread with them and I don't really feel it is worthy of a new thread. I'll be in touch.

Janis, when will you continue your work on this thread?