16.57: The captain of the ferry sailing to and from the island, are told that a policeman is to be sailed over.

Approximately 17.10: The shooting starts at Ut?ya



Astrology for the start of Shootings at Utoya Island

At first glance the chart doesn't stand out as pointing to any dreadful event. I think we have to realise that merely the exactness of #Ura/#Plu square is enough to create extreme tension in all individuals with #Ura/#Plu powerful in their charts (and remember, both are retrograde). Anders Breivik had both #Ura sq #Sun#Mer#Mar and #Plu sq #Sun#Mer#Mar, his personal negativity made him the perfect candidate to unleash the diabolic force of these two major planets.

Mars/SN was the trigger.

At the time of shooting #Mar was just 4 degrees from the cusp of 8th house, traditionally the beginning of a planets influence by cusp. It is officially in the 8th house and will remain in the eighth throughout the shootings. Mars being ruler of 11H (other people's children).

#Mar 23 Gemini activates the Sabian Symbol, ?Three fledglings, ?in a nest high up in a tree"

Fledglings=Youth/Childhood. High up in a tree gives at least a feeling of protection, the birds are rather isolated with a sense of security away from danger. On the other hand though such isolation can cast them adrift from protection. The island so free from the cares of city life is also without the usual protections of city life ie. the police, emergency forces, etc...all of which have little access. The small feldglings in the nest are vulnerable & open to attack whilst the protective birds are busy away elsewhere.

The tiny birds indicate fresh ideas - perhaps rather elevated ones -- that will soon be ready to take flight. Many of these youngsters about to take flight carrying the hopes of a bright future for Norway. They signify the positive side of the symbolism..those talents or ideas that might take flight and make a difference in the world.

Anders Breivik is in my view also reflected in the symbolism. Both his father and his step-father had fled from the responsibility of nurturing him leaving Anders, sister Elisabeth and his alledgedly 'childlike' mother Wenche Behring together in the 'nest'. I believe the lack of both fathers to be a primary cause in his later misdeeds. For Breivik the negative symbolism applies..psychological witlessness and a false sense of release from responsibility.


I also feel that the star constellation, Corvus which Mars resides in gives an interesting mythology...maybe by putting all the blame on an innocent culprit - the snake/immigrant - he was absolving himself from his own childish flaws of character?

The astrological influences of the constellation Corvus

Legend: Apollo gave a feast to Jupiter and requiring water sent the raven with a cup (Crater) to fetch some. On his way the raven noticed a fig tree, and, resting there until the figs became ripe, feasted himself upon them until, remembering his errand and fearing the anger of Apollo, he picked up a snake (Hydra) and on his return gave as an excuse that it had prevented him from filling the cup. Apollo ordained in punishment that the raven should never drink so long as figs were not ripe, and placed the raven (Corvus), cup (Crater) and snake (Hydra) in the heavens as a memorial. [Robson*, p.40.]

Greg

Daz Madrigal wrote:

Approximately 17.10: The shooting starts at Ut?ya

Could you post the link to a source for that please?

Thanks

Mark

Hi to All
I present a May 17 1814 chart timed 10 AM. I chose 10 AM because I read somewhere that ceremony for 1905 chart began at 10 AM and what else I wrote in previous post.
Michael

Mark wrote:Daz Madrigal wrote:

Approximately 17.10: The shooting starts at Ut?ya

Could you post the link to a source for that please?

Thanks

Mark

Still looking for the precise time, Mark. A member of Astro.com quoted a timetable for events giving 17.10 for shooting 17.26 for call to Police about the shooting. I am now trying to confirm the source for this. Grrr..they dont make it easy?

Initial reports had claimed that police received the first call about shots being fired 5.02pm which meant Breivik was not arrested for an hour and a half. However, the fresh timetable claimed that the first call did not come into the local Nordre Buskerud police force until 5.27pm.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... cised.html

daz madrigal wrote:

A DAUGHTER OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION

KEYNOTE: The prestige and conservatism of a long-maintained heritage.

An example of what occurs when the individual chooses a path which totally embodies and glorifies tradition, a path which ends in a GLORIFICATION OF THE PAST.

The will and ability to maintain a social supremacy based on thoroughly established tradition.
___*When positive, the degree is an infectious pride in leadership through which a group is able to act as a unit, and when negative, the ultimate betrayal of selfhood by a false assumption of superiority.


I think that says it all really, it neatly encapsulates the socio-cultural and political views held by the perpetrator (Sun). Far too many people take the initial symbolism too literally but in essence it simply describes someone who is a member of a small group espousing old fashioned values...the fact that the Sun is very debilitated astrologically underlines the negative symbolism here.

29 Cancer and connections with 2009 Oslo Solar Eclipse.

Norway and the Solar Eclipse
The July 22, 2009 longest solar eclipse(29 Cancer) of the the 21st century fell on the Midheaven in Fukushima, and conjoined the Ascendant in Oslo, Norway. Saturn(-90- Venus) precisely on the eclipse IC-4th house cusp suggests hardships(Saturn) in the homeland(4th house). Clearly, this powerful eclipse is still active 2 years later.

http://stellarinsights108.blogspot.com/ ... lipse.html

First, a link to pictures and the identities of the victims at Ut?ya and in Oslo during the terror attacks of July 22:

http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks ... 187189.ece

Second, the campaign to Norwegian local elections to be held on September 12. was started today, Aug.13. 2011, at 12.00 CEST (10.00 GMT), Oslo. Asc 29LI19, MC 14LE50, Sun 20LE23, Moon 16AQ31. Emotions are still strong after the terror happenings less than a months ago. The Norwegian Labour Party, who was hit hard by these actions, asked not to be given special treatment by the other political parties during the campaign in a way that could put a lid on the democratic debate. The Labour Party has risen by 7% on the polls since July 22.

http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks ... 198572.ece

The election campaign was opened to the sound of "What we need is love" performed by Heine Totland and Silje Nergaard. The Norwegain local elections will be held on September 12., 09.00-21.00 CEST.

I just learnt that a previous neighbour and good friend of mine lost his 16 year old daughter in the killings that took place at Ut?ya.

As fate would have it, it was the step-father of my two first children, being the husband of my previous spouse, who had the job of phoning the parents of victims on the island- and had to convey to my friend that his daughter has been lost.

This was very sad news, although this has been a great national tragedy and for all families involved.

2083

The manifest of the mass-killer Breivik had the title 2083. It seems unlikely that Breivik posessed such knowledge but it seems possible that this title related to the Saros series 13S (156 according to Espenack) that commenced only a few weeks earlier on July 1. 2011. This was a Friday. The terror actions in Oslo and at Ut?ya were also performed on a Friday. In the chart of this initiating eclipse the planet Mars is in the South and conjunct the MC of Oslo.

By examining the Saros it will be discovered how the year 2083 appears futher out into the Saros cycle. There will be an eclipse on August 13. 2083. This is also a Friday. Friday is the Day of Man. According to Christian traditions he was both created and crucified on a Friday. Although Breivik claims to be a conservative Christian and does have a record as a Freemason, as said, it would seem unlikely that he was in possession of any adept knowledge of the Saros. Most likely a coincidence or the ficticious ramblings of a madman. However, it could be a code or some attempted prediction.

I found it propper to contact the Norwegian police with this observation, but have not yet received any response - which, in all fairness, can hardly be considered a suprize. I reckon all resources have been put in on other levels of the investigation. But with the police not responding to the tips, I believe that the observation is considered of lesser importance and significance, which would mean were were free to mention it here.

The newspaper Dagbladet did report that the police said they had received tips from psychics, but had decided not to look into any such matters at this stage. As far as I can see, everyone has performed according to their duty. I do think that if a psychic or an astrologer came up with any piece of information that could be a lead, it would be their duty to report to the police and then let them decide what to do with it.

It could be that this discussion should be move to the restricted area of the forum, but I will leave that to the discrepancy of our moderator.

Andrew Bevan wrote:2083

The manifest of the mass-killer Breivik had the title 2083. It seems unlikely that Breivik posessed such knowledge but it seems possible that this title related to the Saros series 13S (156 according to Espenack) that commenced only a few weeks earlier on July 1. 2011. This was a Friday. The terror actions in Oslo and at Ut?ya were also performed on a Friday. In the chart of this initiating eclipse the planet Mars is in the South and conjunct the MC of Oslo.

By examining the Saros it will be discovered how the year 2083 appears futher out into the Saros cycle. There will be an eclipse on August 13. 2083. This is also a Friday. Friday is the Day of Man. According to Christian traditions he was both created and crucified on a Friday. Although Breivik claims to be a conservative Christian and does have a record as a Freemason, as said, it would seem unlikely that he was in possession of any adept knowledge of the Saros. Most likely a coincidence or the ficticious ramblings of a madman. However, it could be a code or some attempted prediction.

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It could be that this discussion should be move to the restricted area of the forum, but I will leave that to the discrepancy of our moderator.

Would this help !!

Jewish Gematria for the phrase "Six hundred and Sixty Six" = 2083
He was just trying to title his manifesto as 666 !!
I don't know if he was anti-semitic in his views or if conservative Christianity is inherently anti-semitic.If he considered the Labour party as anti-christian , it makes sense that he would title his manifesto with a suggestive phrase.


http://www.gematrix.org/?word=six hundred and sixty six

What was the publication date of this manifesto ??
Because on July 4, I had posted a link to Gematria calculator in the News forum.

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6245

The firing happened on 22/7

and Jewish Gematria for 227 = "Gods Name"
http://www.gematrix.org/?word=gods name

and by simple Gematria 227 means

"Jesus was is and will be"
http://www.gematrix.org/?word=j e s u s was is and will b e

Now ! that is some sonspiracy theory !!

Now give me some brownie points for being- Arthur Conan Doyle.


PD

Interesting! The brownies are on me.

Yet take a look at the Saros while you're at it.

Crown Princess puts foot down on Salute

The Crown Princess Mette-Marit of Norway celebrates her 38th birthday today, Friday, Aug. 19. 2011. The national guard intended to fire a salute of 21 shots in tribute to the celebrant, but the Crown Princess has put her put down and set a stop to the salute in view of only 4 weeks having passed since the Oslo-bombing and massacre at Ut?ya.

This is quite thoughtful, in my opinion. Well done!

Source: VG

Over on the English Riots thread we have been discussing the use of profections. This is a method of predictive astrology that was very popular in ancient and medieval astrology. In this system the chart is progressed or 'profected' one sign sign for every year. The original method was based on whole sign charts and was discussed by many hellenistic astrologers. In this approach to profections the chart only changed annually. However, in the renaissance approach the whole chart was effectively progressed forward gradually throughout the year. According to our member Margherita Fiorello the approach of renaissance astrologers was to focus on profecting the five 'hylegiacal places': Asc., MC, Sun, Moon, and lot/part of Fortune. However, I have used the basic idea to look at other points in the chart too.

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic ... c&start=30

I have now taken a look at the profections to the 1905 chart on July 22nd.

I have diisplayed this chart in the inner wheel and the profected chart on the outer wheel.
Profected Desc conjunct eclipse point of January 4th. Profected MC and Mercury (in radix 8th house) square radix Uranus. Profected IC square radix Uranus. Profected Mars is in the radical first house. Profected Uranus close to radix Mars. Profected Saturn opposing radix Neptune. Profected Nodal axis of the chart on same degree as radix Neptune. Profected lot of fortune near radix nodal axis. Profected Venus-Mars opposition in radix across ASC-DESC axis in radix chart. Venus trine radix Mars. Contra-antiscion of profected SN on radix Pluto. Profected Pluto antiscia radix ascendant.

Here is a bi-wheel with the solar eclipse (timed for max obscurity) in the inner wheel and the profected chart for the 1905 chart timed for the Oslo bombing on July 22nd. Apart from Profected DESC near eclipse point profected Sun Sq Mars. Profected Jupiter on Jupiter. Profected Saturn on radix Pluto.
Mark