my idea about MJ. 85 by JayJay Jupiter Return, He will win in Court battle. Venus Transits in his 1st house - Good Benefic, Appears in court with nice clothes. Cancer in 2nd house - Protecting his money. Saturn Transits in 2nd house - Problem with money. Cancer in 3rd house in late degree (28 degrees) - appears pale on t.v. Leo in 4th house - Tigers and wild animals at Neverland Ranch Virgo in 5th house - Mercury in 4th house - children - Jupiter in 5th house... many children at his house. Neptune in 5th house - Children deception. Scorpio in 6th house with Part of Fortune, working hard paid off. Saturn in 7th house - Lisa Marie an Aquarius (traditional sign) and Sagittarius in 7th house - Debbie Rowe (Dec. 6, a Sagittarius). Pluto Transits in 7th house - Powerful Attorney(s) Capricorn in 8th house - famous lawyers, owe money to them and legal fees. Aquarius in 9th house - Chiron --- Heal The World. Neptune Transits in 9th house - Deception in courtroom Uranus in 10th house - Pisces - Police jail, lying about them abusing him? Pisces in 11th house - Deception or Compassion friends Taurus in 12th house - Love animals. Love to Luxury. Mars in 12th house - Hidden anger (Bipolar symptom?) Sun and Mercury transit in 12th house - His workers and children are deceiving him, enemies. Sun Virgo in 4th house sextile Neptune in Scorpio in 5th house - Children and workers from his Neverland Ranch, deception Sun conjunct Pluto Virgo in 4th house - wild animals nearby his home. Moon in Pisces in 10th house sextile Mars in Taurus in 12th house - Anger ex-workers deceiving him. Moon square Saturn in Sagittarius in 7th house - Police officers and his lawyers and Judge, courtroom issue. Mercury Leo in 4th house conjunct Venus Leo in 3rd house - The Jackson 5 Mercury Square Mars in Taurus in 12th house - problem with workers Mercury sextile Jupiter in Libra in 5th house - Will win in court. Had children with Debbie Rowe (Sagittarius). Mercury trine Saturn in Sagittarius in 7th house - Older famous lawyers - win in court. Mercury conjunct Pluto Virgo in 4th house - wild animals at Neverland Ranch. Venus Leo in 3rd house square Mars in Taurus in 12th house - Love his animals, in cages. Venus Leo in 3rd house conjunct Pluto in 4th house Virgo - Big animals at his Neverland Ranch. Mars Taurus in 12th house square Uranus Leo 3rd house - Weird siblings... Split up Jackson 5. Jupiter Libra in 5th house conjunct Neptune Scorpio in 5th house - Deception children Jupiter Libra in 5th house sextile Pluto Virgo in 4th house - Big Rides at Neverland Ranch. Saturn in Sagittarius in 7th house trine Uranus in Leo in 3rd house - Married an Aquarius (Lisa Marie Presley) Neptune Scorpio in 5th house sextile Pluto in Virgo 4th house - Deception children, sleepover.
86 by ### Good Benefic, Appears in court with nice clothes. Pajamas? It's all in the label, you know. I hear some of them are quite fetching.
Michael Jackson 88 by NeptuneMystic hiya So we are now within the next few days going to hear the outcome...' Do you all still stand by your word that he will get off....or are some in limbo over the outcome....???? It would be interesting to hear about these answers now we are going to the outcome.... also is there a time in astrology when one meaning explanation can also lean the other way and so give a fussy answer....? Neptune Mystic
89 by ### Do you all still stand by your word that he will get off....or are some in limbo over the outcome....???? Well, I?m not biting my nails. The frightening thing is the insatiable public hunger for more entertainment after this is over. Never ends, does it?
90 by Tom The frightening thing is the insatiable public hunger for more entertainment after this is over. Never ends, does it? Ain't that the truth. Entertainment it is, and inadvertently or through general lack of concern, the seriousness of the situation gets lost. Either an innocent child was horribly abused or near-psychotic gold digger is trying to extort money from a celebrity who in turn is forced to spend a couple of million dollars defending himself against false charges. Either way this situation is far too serious to be considered entertainment. Tom
91 by JayJay Well I think Michael Jackson might win, cause of Jupiter Return. But I was trying to do horary chart... and got very confused. In the horary chart, 11 degrees of Pisces rises. The 1st house represents Michael Jackson, as a defandant. The ruler of the 1st house is Neptune or Jupiter. Neptune in Aquarius in 12th house and Jupiter in Libra in 7th house. His opponent is signified by Mercury, ruler of the 7th house. Mercury in Gemini in 3rd house. Mutable angles - the outcome is still unknown or flexible. North Node in 1st house, South Node in 7th house - Michael Jackson might win. The court is signified by the Jupiter, ruler of the 10th house. Jupiter in Libra in 7th house cusp. Part of Fortune is in 1st house - Michael Jackson might win. Michael Jackson might agree with the verdict if his ruler is retrograde. Jupiter and Neptune are in retrograde... If the ruler of the 10th house is retrograde, he will not act fairly. Sagittarius is on the 10th house cusp. If Pisces is on the ascendant and Virgo is on 7th house cusp, the case might move to another court???? Jupiter trine Neptune and Jupiter trine Mercury? If Ascendant ruler is retrograde, it is weak. The jury - 6th house - Sun conjunct Mercury, Trine Neptune and Jupiter. I think Michael Jackson might win, I'll say 70% chance.
92 by kurgal JayJay wrote:Well I think Michael Jackson might win, cause of Jupiter Return. Maybe, but hey, I sure know that MY jupiter return was a bit of a let-down.... Now that the jury is deliberating, I'm tempted to go back and sit on the fence (and I don't even have any Libra in me). The trial chart was hard to weigh up. As a contest chart (using Lilly's table), Jackson ends up ahead; not overwhelmingly, but by a healthy distance. and there are some nice 11th house placements (freedom and release) which are sympathetic to the 7th house (jury) placements. so i'm sure there is some jury sympathy there. but then I can't get around the fact that Jackson's significator (Mars) is opposed by Saturn (verdict). overall, I think the best interpretation is that he will be convicted of some charges but not others. and then the lawyer in me has his own opinions...but...gah! dont really know [rushes back to sit happily on the fence]
93 by granny_skot I think the Saturn Mars opposition shows he loses, but that might be ME being a mother and thinking my god, people couldn't let him get off twice! But your arguement for being found guilty of some charges and not others does make sense. I''m wondering how the Jupiter direct will affect me!~ =) Granny
94 by JayJay Well I think Jupiter just change things around... Depend on other planets and aspects.... If you're having problems... Jupiter is there to help you get out... be optimist. Give you some type of good luck charm... For example, I wanted an apartment and a car and a job... and I finally got them... but then I wasn't happy... because I had 3 big dogs, they pooped everywhere in my small apartment, I wanted to go to College, and I wanted a better career. So painfully I go out of my way,,, being optimist... And went to college, got myself a career, didn't be pessimism.... Then when I no longer had my Jupiter Return, I lost everything... and became pessimism,,, I was not believing in myself anymore.... got scare So with Michael Jackson, since he'll have his Jupiter Return, whatever happen... he has to think positive.
95 by NeptuneMystic hiya, When you speak about Jupiter Return are we looking at his natal chart progressed or the horary...? Also what does a Jupiter return do...put weight on us...lol...maybe not just fat...maybe pressure...someone said there J return was a let down...why.... neptunemystic
96 by JayJay to me Jupiter Return is a good thing... not always positive to some people. I think Saturn Return is too harsh for me.