jupiter1st wrote:Thanks for the quick reply Clelia. Can you give your father's birth data. I'd like to examine it.

Clelia Romano wrote:Hello Jupiter1st!

Maybe you?re right taking Venus years, but as she is with the SN I would give 1/4 less of her total years. That is the rule. But, maybe she is distant enough to be considered in body conjunction with SN. Anyway, she is still heading towards the Node and she is less than 12? from it. Another possible idea is that she, Venus, is exalted, so it can serve as a compensation for not lose 1/4 of her years.
Your hyphotesis is coherent, I agree. If he lived 29 years, he was in a profection of 7th house, ruled by Venus. The Solar Revolution ( I don?t know where he was in his last birthday!) for his city, had Venus in the 12th in Pisces, the Sun in Aries in the ASC and Mars, lord of the house of death in the 4ht in the same position Jupiter was when he was born, Not to mention the Moon in the 12th in Pisces conjunct Venus of his natal chart.

The theory of giving to the Sun and Moon the place of hyleg and alchocodem when they are exalted or domiciliated works perhaps if you do not find a planet receiving them and aspecting them. You can take them if they are not cadent and inconjunct to de ASC as Hyleg and Alchocodem and depending on the whole chart give them lot of years: then you try a fine tuning using directions to have an idea of the dangerous episodes against life.

My father, for example, has the Sun in Aries in the 9th and Jupiter in the ASC in Leo. The Sun is at 23? and Jupiter at 7?. Very far. If Jupiter was the Alchocodem he would live 79 years. When he was 79 he was looking for a good woman to marry again. Now he is 92.No planets are in aspect ( using orbs) with his Sun. This is interesting, I think.

nice example Jupiter, but a tricky one: hope we are working with the right data;-)

regards

Clelia

jupiter1st wrote:Clelia, the Moon is domicile. She is convenient for hyleg position. Domicile Moon is a stronger hyleg candidate than exalted Sun. I didn't try to find 29 for Ledger since I've already known he died at that age. I strictly applied the rules and found 29. I did it earlier for Van Gogh as well. I was shocked when I found Van Gogh's life span astrologically. I am not that stunned now because I know that this method usually gives accurate results. In Ledger's case Venus gives 29 years. It is not a coincidence. Check the aspects and position of Venus. Can you deny that she gives 29 years? How many of you guys have Venus giving 29 years of life period? Ledger has it and he died at 29. It is a very specific situation. I can hardly think it is a coincidence.

I told you guys earlier that Domicile/Exalted lights can not be both hyleg and alchohoden. Clelia and others objected to that. I now see that Clelia and many of you guys understood it can't be that way.

Hi Clelia,

he died in a 5th house profection as Jan 2008 meant he was 28 (as we count it in the modern world). Just reading the source notes of the Astrodatabank page makes me even more unsure that this is his real birth-time though

Clelia Romano wrote:I would like to share with you a chart of a lady who lived 100 years.
It looks like a very low profile person, and perhaps that is a hint to longevity. Observe that the only planet in an angle was the Moon, in the 2nd sign of the Nadir. She died 28 august of 2009, she simply black out.

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Hermes wrote:Would y'all be intersted in more data of people who lived to be very old?

I got several.

Kind regards

jupiter1st"]Clelia, the Moon is domicile. She is convenient for hyleg position. Domicile Moon is a stronger hyleg candidate than exalted Sun. I didn't try to find 29 for Ledger since I've already known he died at that age. I strictly applied the rules and found 29. I did it earlier for Van Gogh as well. I was shocked when I found Van Gogh's life span astrologically. I am not that stunned now because I know that this method usually gives accurate results. In Ledger's case Venus gives 29 years. It is not a coincidence. Check the aspects and position of Venus. Can you deny that she gives 29 years? How many of you guys have Venus giving 29 years of life period? Ledger has it and he died at 29. It is a very specific situation. I can hardly think it is a coincidence.

I told you guys earlier that Domicile/Exalted lights can not be both hyleg and alchohoden. Clelia and others objected to that. I now see that Clelia and many of you guys understood it can't be that way

Woul I be right in giving the Hyleg to the ASC and the alcoocoden the Moon with Saturn taking away his greater years and the Sun and Venus adding theirs? This would give 97 years

jupiter1st wrote:Clelia, Venus is cadent but she is exalted. That's why she can give 45 years not 8. Even if she was peregrine, I would still give 45 if she was not badly aspected by Saturn or Mars. A planet both cadent and detriment give least years. Venus in this case, is strong in Pisces but cadent in 12th. So this is a moderate situation. Besides dispozitor of Venus is exalted in Cancer.

jupiter1st wrote: Besides the chart seems to be nocturnal. The Moon is hyleg. The triplicity ruler Venus trines her. So she is alcocoden. Venus is exalted but not angular. She will give 45 years.