Daz, how would you feel about making 3 simple predictions every weekend? Your eyes are on different details than mine and it would be interesting to see how you get on. The rules are either predicting the result that will occur or the result that will not occur. The astrological reasoning should be provided and an evaluation of the odds gives an idea of the magnitude and value of the prediction.

Yes of course, its a good idea to pool resources although I'm by no means certain about the usefulness of degree symbols in football prediction therefore it would be very much experimental and when they are used they would be as an additional pointer to the usual more conventional methods of prediction.

I don't think we have to fear the flop. The main idea is forming a structured approach as to how to judge football matches. In my opinion, or rather experience, something is missing (yet I never spent a lot of time on suit colors) - but new ideas are welcome!

Arsenal at Blackburn
September 17, 12:45 BST

Moon (also the Dispositor of the PoF) casts a very close SXT to the PoF. So keeping it simple the Gunners as the faves should take the cake.

Thoughts?

Andrew Bevan wrote:The main idea is forming a structured approach as to how to judge football matches.

Perhaps we need to separate the various factors. For example, we can give the Ascendant to the Home team and the Descendant to the Away team, or give the Ascendant to the favourite, or assign rulers for the two teams based on colour. Then we decide on the strength of the rulers of the two teams. In addition we look at the Moon and PoF (and possibly other factors). There are too many factors, so when a prediction goes wrong we don't know why. Was it because we assigned L1 and L7 incorrectly, or because we got the strengths wrong, or because we did not include the Moon or PoF or whatever.

I think we need to fix some of the factors so we have a clearer idea of what is happening.

May I suggest that we concentrate on matches in a particular league (different leagues may behave differently) - my preference is for the English Premier League. We could just look at matches where the home team is favourite and plays in colours suggested by the Ascendant sign. So Man Utd (or Arsenal or Liverpool, etc.) when they play at home, are favourites and the Ascendant is ruled by Mars. Any other combination where all the assignment factors agree would do equally well. This would allow us to concentrate on how we decide which (Mars or Venus, say) is stronger.

Clearly with home favourites we wound expect them to win most of the time, so predictions that suggest a draw or away win would be particularly interesting.

I would be interested in other's thoughts on this. Would it help clarify our approach?

Blackburn 4-3 Arsenal

Two own goals by Arsenal.

I think whatever you/we do, there should be a fresh start and the old assumptions should be cast aside. Building on something presumably right has been a pain in the lower back for me. Everybody is happy to give their tips in their books (not just JF) and articles but nobody can really live up to the hype.

Hi Seiko,
I saw your work on the Blackburn/Arsenal game yesterday. Actually, I agree with everything you did. There is nothing wrong with your approach. I would have done the same, gone for the easy answer and said Arsenal. Yet when I spun through the games just after breakfast, I looked at the odds for Blackburn 4:1 and thought: "That's interesting - that could happen!" I honestly don't think I would have given credit to Algol on the 7th, although Arsenal did loose their head and were their own enemy. They scored 5 goals, right? What are the odds of a player scoring an own goal? So you would have been correcting in saying that they were the most scoring team.

The chart being played on the Dy Saturn, Hr Mercury and with Scorpio rising was not radical - but this would have utterly confused me a whether it was an advantage to the home team or not. Lack of radicality woud appear to open the way for the underdog, but Mars L1 is in such a predicament - cadent and in his fall. Or is he? Mars is in the terms of Saturn. I have seen Blackburn thrive with significators in the terms of Saturn before. Mars in the terms of Saturn does give a Black burn.

There could be considerations here like Moon hanging below the cusp of the 7th, and then Mars, L1, is in the same sign as POF. If predictions don't work out - remember that we, as astrologers, are still playing the role as observers. I would like to add that following Mercury the last few days, as it has appeared through clients and horary charts; Mercury has seemed hassled by the Sun, who rules the 12 house from his own. And then Sol has seemed smitten by Algol. Maybe this is because Moon joins with Algol at the time the lunimaries trine.

Sunday's games:

Tottenham - Liverpool, 13.30 BST
Odds: 2.61 3.25 2.65 - gut feeling says a draw
Asc 6SG42 MC 4LI52 Moon 2GE12 POF 13LE39
Day Sun, Hour Mars (voc) - radical, Mars shares powers of Sag.
Venus is on the cusp of the 10th in Libra. A testimony for the favourites. The Moon applies to Venus by trine, but performs a sextile to Uranus first. This game has no real favourite. Both teams could be saved by sharing points?

Fulham - Manchester City, 14.00 BST
Odds: 5.65 3.66 1.62 - gut feeling says ManC
Asc 12SG24 MC 12LI54 Moon 2GE27 POF 19LE34
Day Sun, Hour Mars/Sun - radical
I honestly have no idea how Fulham should capture points from ManC with their present form.

Sunderland - Stoke, 14.00 BST
Odds: 2.38 3.17 3.01 - gut feeling says Stoke
Asc 8SG05 MC 11LI38 Moon 2GE27 POF 15LE15
Day Sun, Hour Mars - radical by agreement of powers with asc
I don't know.

ManU - Chelsea, 15.00 BST
Odds: 1.83 3.44 4.36 - gut feeling says ManU
Asc 20SG33 MC 25LI50 Moon 2GE57 POF 28LE10
Day Sun, Hour Sun - rules asc by triplicity
The Manchester teams seem almost invincible at present. The only thing is that radicility by triplicity always make me consider the posibility of points being shared.

ManU - Chelsea, 15.00 BST
Odds: 1.83 3.44 4.36 - gut feeling says ManU
Asc 20SG33 MC 25LI50 Moon 2GE57 POF 28LE10
Day Sun, Hour Sun - rules asc by triplicity
The Manchester teams seem almost invincible at present. The only thing is that radicility by triplicity always make me consider the posibility of points being shared.

The Moon is in a favourable degree and trine venus in its own sign. Also venus is ruler of 10th and Node is on 1st cusp. I'm not happy with Jup in 4th but nevertheless a clear win for favourites Man U (by two goals?).


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Another round with more questions than answers. Liverpool getting TWO red cards in their game against Tottenham. Sunderland with an impressive 3-0 win over Stoke. Daz, I wish I could give you credit for you ManU prediction - but this is a team with a Score card of 21-4 after 5 rounds. That means every match has been won 4-1 at average!!? It is very impressive - and Arsenal are only one point from the bottom of the table !!

The results:
Tottenham - Liverpool 4-0
Sunderland - Stoke 4-0
Fulham - ManC 2-2
ManU - Chelsea 3-1

Andrew Bevan wrote:Another round with more questions than answers. Liverpool getting TWO red cards in their game against Tottenham. Sunderland with an impressive 3-0 win over Stoke. Daz, I wish I could give you credit for you ManU prediction - but this is a team with a Score card of 21-4 after 5 rounds. That means every match has been won 4-1 at average!!? It is very impressive - and Arsenal are only one point from the bottom of the table !!

The results:
Tottenham - Liverpool 4-0
Sunderland - Stoke 4-0
Fulham - ManC 2-2
ManU - Chelsea 3-1

It might help you to know, Andrew, that you have the start times wrong for the last 3 games. You have converted BST back an hour.

Konrad wrote:It might help you to know, Andrew, that you have the start times wrong for the last 3 games. You have converted BST back an hour.

That's unforgivable! I give myself the Red Card!

I do apologize. Here are the correct details for the last 3 matches. It makes it much easier for any retrospect study:

Fulham - ManC, 15.00 BST Result: 2-2
Odds: 5.65 3.66 1.62
Asc 24SG37 MC 28LI57 Moon 2GE57 POF 2VI15
Day Sun, Hour Sun/Venus - radical
The lrod of the Hours is definately on the change according to Regimontanus House system, so the Guards could get caught on the Bridge! Yes, Yes, Yes!! That is probably the best explaination as to why this match ended in a draw so far! Well played, Fulham!

Sunderland - Stoke, 15.00 BST Result: 3-0
Odds: 2.38 3.17 3.01
Asc 19SG28 MC 27LI44 Moon 2GE57 POF 27LE06
Day Sun, Hour Sun - Sun rules asc by triplicity + shares powers with Sag.
I notice that POF is sextile MC through signs of long ascension. And the North Node is on the asc., while the South node is on the 7th of the guests.

ManU - Chelsea, 16.00 BST Result: 3-1
Odds: 1.83 3.44 4.36
Asc 3CP51 MC 12SC23 Moon 3GE27 POF 11VI57
Day Sun, Hour Venus - radical by triplicity
The Lady of the Hour is in the same sign as the Lord of the ascendant. These are testimonies for the home team. The Moon applies to the Lady of the Hour by trine. I notice that Cancer (associated with Chelsea) is on the 7th. Torres scored a goal, but this was not enough for them to win. Daz was correct and ManU won with a two goal margin.