astrojin wrote: The third dimension is favourability.
Again we look to the first derivation, the planets themselves. Both Jupiter and Venus are benefics (greater and lesser benefics respectively) ? hence are more favourable to the native (other things being equal). Both Saturn and Mars are malefics (greater and lesser malefics respectively) ? hence are more unfavourable to the native (other things being equal).

Favourability is derived mainly from sect (other than nature of the planets). The main consideration is the planetary sect. Diurnal planets (Sun, Jupiter and Saturn) are more favourable for day charts and more unfavourable for nocturnal charts. Nocturnal planets (Moon, Venus and Mars) are more favourable for night charts and more unfavourable for diurnal charts. So, everyone will have one ?better? benefic (the benefic in sect) and one ?worse? malefic (the malefic out of sect). An additional consideration is the rejoicing condition (sect as defined in medieval astrology). Diurnal planets are more favourable when they are in the same hemisphere of the sun and more unfavourable when they are opposite the hemisphere of the sun. Nocturnal planets are more favourable when they are in the opposite hemisphere of the sun and more unfavourable when they are in the hemisphere of the sun. One more is the agreement of the sect of the planet with the sign it is in. Diurnal planets are more favourable in diurnal signs and unfavourable in nocturnal signs. Nocturnal planets are more favourable in nocturnal signs and unfavourable in diurnal signs.

I have found this to be very true concerning sect and quality. It can make the difference when determining whether the actions of Saturn and Mars are licit or not. The quality of Venus's love, etc. Sect is definitely an aspect to consider when fine tuning a delineation.

Just adding my voice to the chorus of appreciation for taking the time to write all this so lucidly and fully.

Regards

H.

Now let's say a native has ascendant in 15 degrees Leo and Sun in 17 degrees Leo. His sun is angular using both whole sign house system and quadrant house system. He has the potential to be succesful (sun in the first house according to whole sign house system) and also pushed into manifesting his potential as sun is highly activated (sun is in the first house according to quadrant house system).

astrojin, I have seen charts where a Jupiter was in Sagitarius in a Pisces Ascendant, that is, angular by WS but cadent by QS. I admit there would have a bias because the planet was also occidental from the sun; however, it was a Sagittarius jupiter in the tenth sign from the ascendant and in the 9 by QS. After a poor childhood, the chart owner became millionaire.

So would be a correct assumption that planets angular by WS but cadent by QS show their angular meanings later in life?

If so, I can hope. I have a perfect Venus in Pisces partile square (4 minutes out, I thik) my Sag ascendant (which is in Venus' term) with Venus in 3 by quadrant, but 4 by whole sign, obviously.

If my in-sect benefic does me some good, I shall let you all know

Hi Rodd

So would be a correct assumption that planets angular by WS but cadent by QS show their angular meanings later in life?

At this moment, I do not asociate timing to the Whole Sign vs. Quadrant Houses system. If Jupiter (a greater benefic) is in Sag (which of course makes Jupiter full of resources!) is also in the 10th WS house, Jupiter is angular by WS house making it very powerful (potentially). If Jupiter is determined to wealth (if he is also accidental signifier of wealth for he is a universal significator of wealth), and activated in the chart and he will indeed be a millionaire. The fact that it is also in the 9th in quadrant house system says that he's not goaded into manifesting what Jupiter signifies. It may not mean delay (although this is a version of not goaded into action). I would prefer to use the timing technique for judging when. The configuration in the chart shows whether there is wealth or not (and if wealth exists, it can indicate great or little wealth). The timing is prognosticated from the predictive techniques.

Hello astrojin,

How do you treat a planet in one house as per quadrant house system and in another house as per whole sign house system? Does the planet have signification over both the houses?

You wrote:

In yet another case, a native has ascendant in 28 degrees Leo and Sun in 1 degree Virgo. His sun is succedent according to whole sign house system but angular according to quadrant house system. He is goaded into becoming a leader as sun is highly activated (sun is angular according to quadrant house system) but he is naturally a follower (sun is succedent according to whole sign house system). He is naturally into making money but somehow goaded towards leadership. What he really does must be gleaned from other configurations and also his free will.

So as per this example does it mean that the planet produces the goods of the house it is in as per whole sign but also tends to show its effects in the house it is in as per quadrant house system?

Vasanth

astrojin wrote:

I have also seen others who associate angular planets to being very busy, succedent being relatively busy and cadent planets being non-active. Another association: angular represents one who leads, succedent represents one who follows and cadent represents the one who serves.

So, planets in cadent houses can have their effects turned away from the native, weak, non-active or the one who serves. Which is which depends on the signification of a planet. If the cadent planet governs your life, you might involve in giving service to others and yet your life is not conscpicuous. If the cadent planet represents your job, it might mean a career where you become the one who serves others (succedent a team member and angular the head/leader). Just remember that a cadent planet can still get its strength/power from other ways (e.g. if it is exalted, in aspect with its dispositor who also has power, etc.).

Hi to all.
I?m wondering to which of these a small business owner or sole proprietor belongs?
That ranks gradation ?boss, team member, service person? more applying to corporative environment, while at present time many people just turned to work from home.
Also I?ve raised question before whether 4th house is the indicator of own business - still being angular house.

Hello Vasanth:

How do you treat a planet in one house as per quadrant house system and in another house as per whole sign house system? Does the planet have signification over both the houses?

My understanding and application at the moment: the planet in the house a/t whole sign house system has effects on the topics represented by that house. The planet in the house a/t quadrant house system is used to gauge the level of activites of the planets.

Assuming that you have Cancer rising, the 5th house is Scorpio (whole sign). If you have Saturn in Scorpio, this means that you have Saturn in the fifth a/t whole sign house system. Saturn has something to say about children. If it so happens that Saturn is in the 4th house a/t quadrant system, Saturn is going to be "active" which means its signification will be conspicuous but it does not really affect matters of the 4th house (because he is not in the 4h a/t whole sign house system). Similarly, if Saturn is in the fifth a/t whole sign house system but in the 6th a/t quadrant house, he has influence over the signification of the 5th house (children) but its level of activities would be low or inconspicuous (Saturn would not have signfications over matters of the sixth unless he happens to rule the sixth sign from ascendant).

In short, I use whole sign when it comes to rulership (I would look at what sign from ascendant sign for rulership, e.g. second sign from ascendant sign, not house, rules wealth, fifth sign from ascendant sign, not house, rules children, etc.). Similarly, a planet has effects on the significations represented by the whole sign house position e.g. planet in the 5th sign from ascendant sign, not house, has something to add about children regardless of its house position a/t quadrant house system. The quadrant house position is used to gauge level of activities or business or conspicuousness (is there such a word?).

Hello Astrojin,

Thank you for sharing your understanding

My understanding and application at the moment: the planet in the house a/t whole sign house system has effects on the topics represented by that house. The planet in the house a/t quadrant house system is used to gauge the level of activites of the planets.

Astrojin, may I ask which quadrant house system you are using to gauge the level of activites of the planets at the moment?

For the time being I am using Placidus but have experimented with Alchabitius, Koch and Porphyry.


james

Hello,

I usually use Porphyry and Alchabitius, but then the difference is not too great for me because my clients are mostly born close to equator.