Hey everybody...

I have took a question one of my friend.She wanna be famous (musician or actress) But She is an engineer so recently she's in depression.I told her this dates are not good to ask Horary question(because of moon situation).But she wants to ask.

Will she be a famous?

She is an Aquarius and her ASC is Cancer her moon sign is Libra.

Here is the chart:

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I wanna take your comments

Thank you so much

It is a "no" for me.

Sun is nicely placed in the 5th but is under the Earth. Moon is in aversion to the Sun and aspecting no-one for a while and seperating from lady of the 10th, Venus. Sun and Venus also in aversion. I don't know if there is any relevance of the eclipse coming up but seeing as she is represented by the Sun, I would say it is worth mentioning. Lot of Spirit at 5 Cancer in the 12th with its lady in the 6th and in detriment doesn't show much fame for me either.

Not that she isn't talented though. The Sun in his triplicity and in a fortunate house shows she is. I guess fame is not for everyone though. Saying that, maybe a look at her natal chart would be more profitable?

Konrad wrote: I guess fame is not for everyone though. Saying that, maybe a look at her natal chart would be more profitable?

I have glanced her natal chart. Jupiter is in 10 th house Aries.Venus and True Node have make conjunction with MC in 10th house Pieces .Part of Fort. is in 9 th house Pieces. But Venus has alot of difficult aspects with Saturn and Uranus that have placed 6 th house Virgo.

These kind of localization has been good for me.But i am not sure cuz i do not know Horary enough:) So i dont know what i am supposed to say to her .

Lilith, as the astrologer of this chart, what is your opinion?

There are many discussions in the other forums on indicators in natal pointing towards acclaim, fame, etc. I am not an expert on it, but I have read other various sources, such as Lilly, regarding career questions.

My opinion, which you can or leave of course: Mars rules the 10th and has sect but is peregrine, and Jupiter is in the 10th, but is peregrine, retro and out of sect. The Sun as lord of the ASC in the 5th is out of sect, so it would point towards introversion in social and creative expression, although there is likely talent in that regard with Leo rising and Sun in the 5th. Also, Mars will go retro soon in Virgo for a while (half of next year), so there could be some changes in her career plans in the near future.

About Jupiter, according to X-Files Astrology (one of my favorite resources for readings in general):

But if Jupiter is out of sect, in debility or afflicted, particularly by Mars, then it is indicative of scandal and misuse of authority, or there tends to be someone more favored who stands in the way of advancement. Jupiter out of sect here may indicate a lack of trust; that only by seeing and not by faith will things be accomplished.

I find it likely that she will not have great success in being famous and find that others, probably those less talented, make it further than she does. Moon in Capricorn (detriment) in the 6th, Mars ruling the 10th in Virgo in the 2nd doesn't seem related to this occupation. Maybe health care or something similar? Sun square Mars with Mars in the 2nd here would also point towards wasteful spending and income being variable (gambles in career ventures). This would also indicate someone who is too impulsive, impatient, restless, and aggressive in career choices, but is not a quitter and is very competitive. I would warn them that this could sometimes defeat their purpose though because that type of personality can be off-putting and make no one want to help you get ahead. They might not actually know what it is exactly that they want either, with so many peregrine planets. Sometimes such people keep searching for something more and are never truly happy, even when they reach their goals.

Both of the luminaries are under the earth, which especially points to a lack of great recognition. Jupiter in the 10th accidentally poor would likely bring at least some rewards but I don't think it would be stardom.

I would say that this person should pursue creative expression as something that brings them some happiness, but that will likely not bring them a lot of money or social recognition. They will likely have to have another profession.

I have something a tiny bit similar in natal where Jupiter rules the 10th in Leo and Mars in Aries is in the 10th (a slightly flipped version), with Moon in the 6th, and I have worked in health care/the sciences as well as for the government.

Dear Tanit,

Thanks your reply.

When i am looking her natal chart i say ''yes'' on the other hand like your say in this horary chart i am gonna say ''no''. But i wanna know it when we are in a dilemma between natal chart and horary which one will we chose for reading? Like in this chart...

It's a bad question. What is famous? How famous? You can be famous in a small town or you can be world famous. A question about a certain career would be better.

The MC is in the last degree of Aries, a cardinal sign -- she is on the verge of making some changes in her career. Jupiter, the Sun's (L1) Dispositor, is retrograde in the house of her career. She is having second thoughts about her career. The Sun, L1, is peregrine in the 5th (the Sun is in Jupiter's triplicity btw) in a square aspect with a peregrine Mars, L10, in the 2nd House. Not good. But -- there is some help, people. Venus casts a friendly aspect to Mars from the sign of his exaltation. The Moon in Detriment in the 6th and pretty much not going anywhere, except for a trine with the PoF in H2.

The Sun, L1, exalts in Aries, so she has more talent in her current profession. But the 'artistic' career is not so bad either because Jupiter receives a friendly aspect from Venus and is received by Venus in her exaltation.

Since the Sun is more at home in her current career -- and Mars (L10) collects the light of the Sun and Venus, joining them together -- I would suggest, if that's possible, to combine both careers. The current career as a source of income (Mars in the 2nd House and the Moon separates from Mars and casts an aspect to the PoF in the 2nd House) but the artistic career as a side show until she gets some recognition.
But it means very hard work (the Sun peregrine in square with a peregrine Mars is bad news. If there would be no aspect from Venus, that would be a definite NO WAY) and she will not be super famous even if she gives that effort.

Since Venus is in mutual reception with Saturn, an older dignified gentleman (Saturn in his exaltation) might be of help to her artistic career, if she knows anyone like that. I don't know, a producer or something like that.

Seiko wrote:It's a bad question. What is famous? How famous? You can be famous in a small town or you can be world famous. A question about a certain career would be better.

Thanks for your answer Seiko

She asked me like that and i copied.But she thinks country or world famous.She has good aspects and localizations on her natal chart but i am not sure her horary that's why i am asking.

Now she is a photomodel and she is going on her engineering career.Like your says she has combined both of them.

Meanwhile when can she ask a horary question as same as this topic ?Also i am wondering time between 2 same questions in horary astrology....

She asked me like that and i copied.But she thinks country or world famous.She has good aspects and localizations on her natal chart but i am not sure her horary that's why i am asking.

Now she is a photomodel and she is going on her engineering career.Like your says she has combined both of them.

Meanwhile when can she ask a horary question as same as this topic ?Also i am wondering time between 2 same questions in horary astrology....

I hope that you can focus your questions on an astrological nature. This discussion has not been an equal give and take between the poster and the responses, meaning this feels like you are asking us to give a reading for you to give to this person. This is a forum for serious, committed astrologers and students. It is not a forum for free readings.

You are generally not supposed to repeat questions, so she should only ask this question once. There is no reason to repeat a question if the answer is given by a capable astrologer. Repeat questions will likely show the same answer and have considerations against judgement, such as an early degree rising (indicating that the querent already sought out divination for the matter).

Tanit wrote:

She asked me like that and i copied.But she thinks country or world famous.She has good aspects and localizations on her natal chart but i am not sure her horary that's why i am asking.

Now she is a photomodel and she is going on her engineering career.Like your says she has combined both of them.

Meanwhile when can she ask a horary question as same as this topic ?Also i am wondering time between 2 same questions in horary astrology....

I hope that you can focus your questions on an astrological nature. This discussion has not been an equal give and take between the poster and the responses, meaning this feels like you are asking us to give a reading for you to give to this person. This is a forum for serious, committed astrologers and students. It is not a forum for free readings.

Dear Tanit,

Thanks your reply,

But i wanna help her and bright to light this horary question.If i wanna consultancy about astrology.Sure i must pay of astrologer's effort.Beside this is not my question.I am not a good astrologer in horary so that's why i wanna take advice from you.But in that case i will tell her about it.It will be good to go real astrologer about it.Also i will tell all those comment about her career life.

Thanks for warning but is not required...

Lillith wrote:

Seiko wrote:It's a bad question. What is famous? How famous? You can be famous in a small town or you can be world famous. A question about a certain career would be better.

Thanks for your answer Seiko

She asked me like that and i copied.But she thinks country or world famous.She has good aspects and localizations on her natal chart but i am not sure her horary that's why i am asking.

Now she is a photomodel and she is going on her engineering career.Like your says she has combined both of them.

Meanwhile when can she ask a horary question as same as this topic ?Also i am wondering time between 2 same questions in horary astrology....

That was more of a rhetorical question. Look, if a young guy fresh out of college or university or whatever asks you "Will I have a successful career?" this is probably an OK question. If the same questions comes from a guy in mid-30ties, there's definitely a background there.

As an astrologer, you must understand what the Querent is really asking. Contrary to the popular belief, the chart does not care if the question was formed in a split second or premeditated for a week. Astrologers ask their Querents to think about their question because astrologers need to make sure that they will understand the true nature of the question.

Everybody wants to be rich and famous. Maybe except for Varuna on the mountaintop. Just kidding. But "hey, prediction guy, will I be rich?" is not a proper question.

If that lady just wants to be famous, that's a problem. She is a model, she wants to be an actress or a musician. Doesn't sound like a question by a mature adult. I wanted to be a famous hockey player, but I've played only on frozen ponds as a kid.

Even if she is multi-talented, there has to be something she likes doing best. Being famous is not a profession (unless you are already famous, lol).
"Will I become world famous or just country famous?" is not a proper question. "Should I go into acting" or "will I be a successful/have a good career as a musician?" is more or less a proper question.

But don't ask her to ask you a certain question. It's up to you to understand the true meaning of the inquiry. Maybe she is that way -- she wants to be famous at any cost so she doesn't care about the method. But in that case we have already answered her question, well, more or less.

... OR, if you are not fluent in horary as you state, maybe you should send her to an astrologer.

Peace. Over and out.

Lillith wrote: I told her this dates are not good to ask Horary question(because of moon situation).

Lilith,

if a question rises spontaneously, that's the time to ask it, because that's the moment when the answer is "in the stars". Warning someone "don't ask now, because the Moon is bad" is counterintuitive, if you want to get to the truth. Questions should come at the time that belongs to them, not at the time that the astrologer approves of, because "now the Moon is OK".