GB 2011... 1 by Lunlumo Hi, Prime Minister Cameron in Berlin - political talks obviously in a tense atmosphere (and in addition the never-ending Spitfire rhetorics in the GB press - partly amusing, partly annoying, partly just boring people over here ...). But, it's true, it will be hard to cope with the monetary challenges for both sides. Cameron demands the European Central Bank in Frankfurt should give away more money, Merkel refuses - saying this will mean inflation. Following Mark I prefer the 1927 chart for the UK (April 12, midnight). These days it's UR transiting UR again. 12 times 7 years = 84 years, meaning after moving both clockwise and anti-clockwise through the chart one is back at the AC. What one can do then: take the second solar (1928 in this case) and take it for a 84 years' chart (always works). It certainly does not replace the basic chart but yields a lot more additional information. 2nd 84 years's chart, UK, starting April/2011 Riots in early August in London started with MA tr conj. IC and PL tr square AC/DC. It's UR conj. AR-AC (very exact conjunction), MER (currency) at first degree AR, aspect appl. AC/UR. And UR tr is conj. that MER - so one can indeed understand why Cameron and his ministers are getting nervous. And moreover PL tr still square AC/UR. LL Non coerceri maximo, contineri minimo divinum est. Quote Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:07 pm
2 by Lunlumo The chart given above ("84er") has definitely taken effect. Britain/UK splendidly isolated (?). I can imagine the country will leave the Union soon. If you give preference to the 1801 chart: here's the corresponding "84-chart". It took effect in 1969. Most interesting: nearly exactly the same AC. UR/OR in house seven square SUN. When using the 7-years's-rhythm UR is met in 2011, at the same time exerting its influence on SUN in ten. I do not think there will be a way back. Needless to say that Septars and 84-charts respond to transits. This means that UR tr conj. AC - in both charts! - will soon accelerate the separation. Another lasting Anglo-German antagonism threatening? Would be bad, but can't be ruled out. Interesting comment: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... itain.html LL Non coerceri maximo, contineri minimo divinum est. Quote Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:36 am
3 by daz madrigal #Mer Rx ?5#Sag during the EU Summit shows the UK situation... AN OLD OWL SITS ALONE ON ?THE BRANCH OF A LARGE TREE. KEYNOTE: A poised and wise approach to existence based on a clear perception of unconscious factors and their operation. The owl has always been a symbol of wisdom, and its hooting ?call has evoked a rise to mysterious and hidden elements in life. ?The owl functions lucidly in the night aspect of existence. His eyes see what men normally fail to perceive. He represents that consciousness which is active where the processes of life normally escape the attention of the personal ego and its intellect. This is the last of the five symbols in the forty-ninth sequence. It ?suggests the possibility of developing a wisdom beyond tragedy, a peace and poise beyond conflict. One might speak here of TRANSLUCIDITY. Its conjoins the contrasting elements of PM Cameron taking this position namely the ISOLATION with also the ability to quietly WATCH & WAIT.....Cameron's not going to move until its absolutely necessary - so stand back and leave them to sink or swim for now. Note #Mer Rx position in #Sag squares the #Jup#opp#Plu in UK Chart 1066...#Jup#Plu - Financial markets. Also #Mer rules H2 1066 (UK Money). G Mad Daz's Place, quiet but never boring http://pinkmelon.proboards82.com/index.cgi Quote Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:42 pm
Fog in the Channel 4 by Lunlumo 6? Sagittarius (246): A GAME OF CRICKET. 7? Sagittarius (247): CUPID KNOCKING AT THE DOOR OF A HUMAN HEART. At the start of the conference MER was at 6.x SAG - i.e. the seventh degree. Later, when it came to its climax it was at 5.x degrees. (sabian symbols: 1 Sag - first degree : 0:01 - 0.59 sag etc) So it's: A GAME OF CRICKET - well, I'd say more British than the owl. Usually a game played by gentlemen. ( Football: a game for gentlemen, played by hooligans / rugby: a game for hooligans played by gentlemen/ cricket: a game for gentlemen played by gentlemen - so not too bad after all) But for the time being and probably for quite a while to come: Fog in the Channel. LL Non coerceri maximo, contineri minimo divinum est. Quote Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:06 pm
Re: Fog in the Channel 5 by daz madrigal Lunlumo wrote:6? Sagittarius (246): A GAME OF CRICKET. 7? Sagittarius (247): CUPID KNOCKING AT THE DOOR OF A HUMAN HEART. At the start of the conference MER was at 6.x SAG - i.e. the seventh degree. Later, when it came to its climax it was at 5.x degrees. (sabian symbols: 1 Sag - first degree : 0:01 - 0.59 sag etc) So it's: A GAME OF CRICKET - well, I'd say more British than the owl. Usually a game played by gentlemen. ( Football: a game for gentlemen, played by hooligans / rugby: a game for hooligans played by gentlemen/ cricket: a game for gentlemen played by gentlemen - so not too bad after all) LL Well ofcourse Cameron played fair but as usual our Euro friends could only foul. Take it from me..if he had agreed to the treaty it would not only be the financial sector that would be in trouble - our PM would be....TOAST! How they expected him to agree I can't imagine..lol..its ridiculous but EU leaders often are. Mad Daz's Place, quiet but never boring http://pinkmelon.proboards82.com/index.cgi Quote Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:59 pm
6 by Lunlumo Hmm- around 25 idiots and one bright boy? I'm afraid that matter is a bit more complex. Cameron would have gained a lot more respect on the Continent if he had decided to leave the Union. That would be a reasonable consequence, wouldn't it? What makes him stay in the club? LL Non coerceri maximo, contineri minimo divinum est. Quote Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:23 pm
7 by james_m i am using the 1801 chart to come up with march 12 2012 as a possible turning point in relation to the associations with europe which will have bearing on gb.. aside from the fact that both the 1801 chart and a few of the euro currency charts have a very similar radix sun, which connect t pluto to these 10 cap suns, i see the t pluto at 1801 midheaven coincides with a few other predictive tools to look at for consideration. this is what i note t pluto conj 1801 midheaven (180) sec prog saturn 24leo 51 45/135 1801 M/sun sp A and mercury @ radix neptune t mercury station 6 aries 49 conj 1801 descendant solar arc pluto conj libra point 4' out. also examined converse data which i haven't included here.. i noticed mark had proposed a challenge to make a prediction regarding the euro currency or the state of the euro union.. i am offering this as a first shot across the bow, but this directly connects to the gb 1801 chart as opposed to the euro currency chart.. regarding the article from the telegraph, reminds me of the upcoming pluto/uranus square which last happened in cardinal signs back in the 30's.. helio pluto/uranus waning square was jan 10 1933 helio pluto/uranus waxing square is nov 23 2013 Quote Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:39 pm
8 by Lunlumo Above the chart of Jan 1st, 1973 - GB joins the European Community. The forthcoming Solar in the outer circle with UR conj. AC. Seven years' rhythm anticlockwise passing through PIS at present, about to reach the first degree of ARIES in 2012 - which does not necessarily mean that GB will say "bye, bye", but there will most probably a new basis, with GB on the margin. A total cut, however, can't be ruled out. A crack in the government - disagreement: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16129004 I'm not very familiar with UK-politics - but I can imagine that this will boost the Scottish plans towards independence. The boomerang effect already making itself felt. LL Non coerceri maximo, contineri minimo divinum est. Quote Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:50 am
9 by daz madrigal Solar return for UK chart 1801 ASC always throws light on the situation.. 3#Sag "Two Men Playing Chess" The relationship between Cameron & Clegg is bound to be fractious this year (2012) but at least there is a clear relationship shown..no-one is yet ready to leave the table let alone overturn it. Expect to see considerable concessions made to Clegg & the Liberals from Cameron. The PM holds the upper hand and is happy to concede a few chess pieces if it means he remains in a strong position. The key aspect here is #Mer #Sag sq #Mar #Vir...mutable signs..lots of talking, letting off steam, rows, argument & dissent..today Dec 12 the #Sun (Leader/PM) exactly - he is at the centre of the storm today! Note that #Mer#Sag is in 1st..commerce/ideals..rather flag-waving..sq #Mar#Vir in 9th..fractious/nitpicking foreign...#Mar is at 21#Vir..A Basketball Team..the importance of Group Integration ?#Mar is peregrine and would rather watch from the sidelines - the square shows the conflicting positions moreover its exact. Any transit to the square will flare up the conflict but as said..#Mer#Mar is unlikely to result in a complete split between the two sides...yet!..just lots of hot air and threats....all talk and no action! The REAL crisis occurs June/July 2012 as #Ura triggers the #Sun#Plu sq #Mon#Ura...however it then retrogrades to return in April 2013. ..surely that marks the end of the Coalition! Mad Daz's Place, quiet but never boring http://pinkmelon.proboards82.com/index.cgi Quote Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:48 pm
10 by Michaelb Hi Here?s hoping you all had a Merry Christmas and a coming Happy New Year 2012. Interesting to follow topics about the Euro and G.B., especially confrontation G.B., vs the E.U., Dec 8/9 this year. Perhaps Europe should go back to the ECC and leave it at that? Not sure where to put this. I give example using current Septar for UK 1927 and shorter Septar example for EU 1993. Either way I hope this proves interesting, but first I got started looking at ..... .....The 1927 Secondary Directed chart for Dec 8, 2011 shows SD Mc opposite n.Mars, SD Asc., on n.Mercury. Using bija option, Progressed Moon also opposite n. Mercury. Without bija option Moon is Sqr n Mars. Mercury and Mars prominent, not uncommon involvement in disputes and you know the rest of the story. So then I take a look at current Septar to see if there is Mercury Mars connection in that chart. Code: Select all[URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/440/uk192713thseptar2011201.gif/][img]http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/8729/uk192713thseptar2011201.gif[/img][/URL] Uploaded with [URL=http://imageshack.us]ImageShack.us[/URL] Septar data is from the Solar return 11 Apr. 1939 20:32:32 GMT is the 13th Septar. Scorpio rises, the ruling period is from Apr. 2011 to 2018. From beginning, Scorpio rules first seven months then distributes the time to the remaining signs every seven months. I go against the order of the signs or from sign/house 1 to 12 to 11 and so on, Libra took over the next seventh month period Nov 13 2011 19:12:33 GMT to June 11, 2012. If interested the Nov 13 calculated Asc should be around 11Cn38. I think a good suggestion is read the chart(s) from ruling sign by spinning the wheel. Position of Sun is how I determine the change of rulership sign to sign using whole signs. Sun should be 231d03m17s or 21+ Scorpio. Rulers are Sc Li. To get closer to the Dec. 8 2011 meeting with E.U. I divide the Libra seven month period by 17.5 degree movement of the Sun means that Virgo took over sub rulership Dec 1, 2011 02:57:22 GMT. Rulers to this date: Sc Li Vi. Finally, during the Virgo 17.5 degree period, Virgo distributes the time to each sign by 1d27m29.9s movement of the Sun. Moving to date Dec. 8, 2011 07:28:17 GMT should give Asc around 9Sg52 is when Aries took over during the Virgo period. This lasted to Dec. 9 2011 17:56:03 GMT when Pisces took over from Aries. Dec 8, 2011 meeting in Brussels is when G.B., said No. The No explained in the 13th Septar chart without need to draw up the sub period charts, just spin the wheel. Here are dates time for the distribution, hope I make no typos. 1.) 11 Apr 1939 20:32:32 GMT Sc ( April 12, 2011) 2.) 13 Nov 2011 19:12:33 GMT Sc Li 3.) 1 Dec 2011 02:57:22 GMT Sc Li Vi 4.) 8 Dec, 2011 07:28:17 GMT Sc Li Vi Ar Rulers on/from Dec 8, 2011 07:28 GMT to Dec. 9 2011 17:56:03 GMT Sc Li Vi Ar and here we have the connection Mercury (Virgo) Mars (Aries). See second paragraph at top of this post. Merc Mars also prominent when Cameron met Merkel Nov 18, 2011 From Virgo the active place, the 10H is naturally Gemini, home of Mercury, intelligent communication. Together with Virgo, intelligent debates and arguments. G.B., in white trunks red trim began swinging powerful left hooks like Sir Henry Cooper. Hey, had it not been for the ropes he nearly put Ali on the floor so why not the E.U.. Gemini in main Septar chart is 8H or for G.B., financial relations with other countries. Aries in main Septar chart is 6H or house of debt, more below. Also, in Aries, the Sun and Saturn conjunct, explains G.B., saying No, a typical reaction to Sun Saturn combinations. Also note the conjunction is 21+ Aries conjunct the latest Mars Jupiter conjunction 22 Aries. The Mars Jupiter conjunction, among other things squandering money and excessive generosity. The bail out of other -undeserving ?? countries - that helped Sun Sat or G.B., to say No. Aries 6H matters, the dispute and also struggle for her own due. G.B., did not get her due, said kiss her grits and went home. From Aries the active place 10H, is Cap. Cap is 3H in main Septar chart, neighbors, source of dispute. Mars just happens to be in Exaltation there so G.B., surely felt bold at this time. Sir Henry wins on a T.K.O.. Heading back to his corner with hands raised in victory whilst the London crowd yells hurray for our side!! Go back to Nov 18, 2011 Cameron Merkel meeting the ruling signs Sc Li Li Cn. Cancer took over the shortest period Nov 18, 2011 03:27:03 GMT Asc if curious 12Li59 position of Sun 25Sc25 46. Again Mercury and Mars angular from Cancer - see main Septar chart, Mercury in Aries, Mars in Cap. Also, Mars Jupiter conjunction angular in 10H or Aries from Cancer. Does this Septar suggest when Cardinal signs take over rulership we may see more bouts GB vs The EU?? Future dates with Cardinal signs taking over rulership for shorter periods Noting the dates below are during the Libra seventh month period. Dec 28 2011 08:58:16 GMT to Dec 29 2011 19:18:05 Sc Li Le Cp Jan 1 2012 15:59:04 GMT to Jan 3 2012 02:19:09 Sc Li Le Li Jan 4 2012 12:40:34 GMT to Jan 21 2012 17:00:44 Sc Li Cn A quick look at the 3rd Septar for the E.U., 1993 chart. Data is on chart. [code][URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/207/eu19933rdseptar20072014.gif/][img]http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6053/eu19933rdseptar20072014.gif[/img][/URL] Uploaded with [URL=http://imageshack.us]ImageShack.us[/URL] Distribution is: Dec 1 2011 02:35:16 GMT Sg Ta Dec 8 2011 07:06:13 GMT Sg Ta Ta Sg to Dec 9 2011 17:33:59 GMT Sg Ta Ta Sc With Sag taking over Dec 8 no need to spin the wheel. Gemini on 7H alliances and or open enemies. Don?t few astrologers give middle degree of Gemini to London - the EUs favorite trouble maker? Taurus seventh month ruler is 6H and I think I wrote enough above about 6H. With Sag rising Mars Jupiter prominent more hints to expenditure problems - for the EU. With Saturn Sqr in 4H troubles to the monetary affairs of EU. Also, as we know, Saturn often means an unpopular tax and that is what drove the UK to say No to something called the Tobin Tax on financial transactions. Note in EU Septar chart Mars moving to the conjunction of Jupiter. That took place Nov 16 1995 at 19Sg10 in Sqr Saturn 18+ Pisces. Time will tell if the charts hold up but so far so good. Michaelb Quote Tue Dec 27, 2011 3:31 pm
11 by Mark Hello Michael, Interesting research. I dont have time to study this at present but will do so when time allows. Thanks for all your effort on this. Mark As thou conversest with the heavens, so instruct and inform thy minde according to the image of Divinity William Lilly Quote Tue Dec 27, 2011 10:08 pm
12 by Lunlumo Most revealing, see the present aspects... JU AC ruler in house twelve, not very "substantial", with UR/NE in house one it does not seem that the process of concentration - i.e. the process of forming a whole - will be fully achieved. Not to mention MER/UR/NE - certainly mot the basis for a sound currency. It should also be remembered that a septar not only reveals the contents of a seven years' period. It also gives an insight into the individual houses - in a way serving as magnfying glasses. In this case: 3rd septar - contents of house three - among others currencies. LL Non coerceri maximo, contineri minimo divinum est. Quote Wed Dec 28, 2011 5:58 am